PokerBob vs. Chairman Wood...guess the hands [Archive]

PokerBob

03-23-2005, 11:40 PM

Hand I played with CMW a few minutes ago. He knows that I know that he knows that I know.......

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Preflop: Hero is Button with /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif
6 folds, CO raises, Hero 3-bets, SB calls, 1 fold, CO caps, Hero calls, SB calls.

Flop: (13 SB) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
SB bets, CO raises, Hero 3-bets, SB folds, CO caps, Hero calls.

Turn: (11 BB) J/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
CO bets, Hero raises, CO 3-bets, Hero caps, CO calls.

River: (19 BB) T/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets, CO raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 23 BB

MisterKing

03-23-2005, 11:43 PM

Hero has Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, CO has pocket 7's.

fish43

03-23-2005, 11:52 PM

AA-QQ vs JJ

CallMeIshmael

03-24-2005, 12:03 AM

You have AA.

He has JJ.

mr pink

03-24-2005, 12:05 AM

i don't know but it looks like you were both LAGgin it up regardless of what you held.

PokerBob

03-24-2005, 12:09 AM

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i don't know but it looks like you were both LAGgin it up regardless of what you held.

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Pay careful attention to our positions.

CallMeIshmael

03-24-2005, 12:11 AM

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Pay careful attention to our positions.

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Wow. Your 3-betting range is huge then.

You: 88
Him: JJ

MisterKing

03-24-2005, 12:13 AM

or maybe you BOTH have small pockets?

mr pink

03-24-2005, 12:20 AM

i don't get the river check/raise

btspider

03-24-2005, 12:24 AM

CO hit JJ on the turn
Hero has 88

PokerBob

03-24-2005, 01:31 AM

[ QUOTE ]
Hand I played with CMW a few minutes ago. He knows that I know that he knows that I know.......

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Preflop: Hero is Button with /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif
6 folds, CO raises, Hero 3-bets, SB calls, 1 fold, CO caps, Hero calls, SB calls.

Flop: (13 SB) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
SB bets, CO raises, Hero 3-bets, SB folds, CO caps, Hero calls.

Turn: (11 BB) J/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
CO bets, Hero raises, CO 3-bets, Hero caps, CO calls.

River: (19 BB) T/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets, CO raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 23 BB

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Chairman Wood

03-24-2005, 09:54 AM

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i don't get the river check/raise

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I felt like it. Poker Bob needed to be check/raised. I also was close to 90% sure I was ahead.

Chairman Wood

03-24-2005, 09:59 AM

My range of hands is much more legitimatly defined after I cap it still with SB involved in the hand. I do think I went a little far.

chief444

03-24-2005, 10:17 AM

You...88

CW...An overplayed TT or AA.

Chairman Wood

03-24-2005, 10:25 AM

Not quite but essentially correct.
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CW...An overplayed TT or AA.

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I agree. Where do you think I started to overplay?

chief444

03-24-2005, 10:33 AM

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I agree. Where do you think I started to overplay?

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If it's AA, I would call the 1st turn raise and check/call the river.

If it was TT I probably fold to the first turn raise since you're now behind anything I can think of that PB would play this way and given your aggression to that point I highly doubt he would raise worse hands because it would seem very unlikely you would fold whatever you're holding.

I think it was AA but that makes the river check/raise really bad, IMO.

Chairman Wood

03-24-2005, 10:37 AM

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I think it was AA but that makes the river check/raise really bad, IMO.

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yeah, i'm stupid. Ty. One more shot at his hand...

chief444

03-24-2005, 10:42 AM

If he didn't have 88 then I think JJ is just as likely. I doubt if he caps the turn without a set on this board.

Chairman Wood

03-24-2005, 10:51 AM

Well PokerBob's isolation 3-bet's may very well include any pocket pair.

chief444

03-24-2005, 11:12 AM

Yeah. So Obviously any set is possible. And I guess JJ is out since he just called the river. I forgot that. So 66 would be the next most likely.

PokerBob

03-24-2005, 11:30 AM

[ QUOTE ]
Hand I played with CMW a few minutes ago. He knows that I know that he knows that I know.......

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is Button with /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif
6 folds, CO raises, Hero 3-bets, SB calls, 1 fold, CO caps, Hero calls, SB calls.

Flop: (13 SB) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
SB bets, CO raises, Hero 3-bets, SB folds, CO caps, Hero calls.

Turn: (11 BB) J/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
CO bets, Hero raises, CO 3-bets, Hero caps, CO calls.

River: (19 BB) T/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets, CO raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 23 BB

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I figured ChairmanWood could have a variety of holdings given his position, and thus I wanted to isolate him and use my position to basically scare him away. I intended to bet/raise any flop and reevaulate. He knows me and respects my raises. That combined with the fact that he is possibly raising with a weaker hand here made me play the way I did.

I had 33 and got lucky as hell. He had AA.

hypermegachi

03-24-2005, 12:18 PM

while we're still at this hand, can you explain your isolation bet?

you are isolating a 2+2er, with pocket 3s, which are either a coinflip or badly dominated by a high pocket pair. anyone consider a fold here?

chief444

03-24-2005, 12:31 PM

I'd rather cold-call than fold if I expected he'd go this many bets postflop with an overpair. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

Seriosly though, folding wouldn't be bad at all.

PokerBob

03-24-2005, 01:35 PM

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while we're still at this hand, can you explain your isolation bet?

you are isolating a 2+2er, with pocket 3s, which are either a coinflip or badly dominated by a high pocket pair. anyone consider a fold here?

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The fact that CW is a 2+2'er makes my play even better IMO. I know he can loosen his raising standards in the CO, which means he will not be at all happy with my 3-bet. IF I show aggression post-flop, he may very well fold a better hand given that (a) I have position on him (b) I 3-bet pf and (c) he knows that I know that he knows that I know..........

CallMeIshmael

03-24-2005, 01:41 PM

A nice advantage of the 3-bet is that it sill scare villian into making a lot of bad folds postflop.

If he opened with KT, and the flop came 962, there is a decent chance he would incorrectly checkfold, with the assumption that his overcards are possibly dominated.

This is even more true if the flop contains a J or Q.