Fold QQ here?

[pokerlaw]

Villain had become the chip leader the previous hand. Wasn't playing especially tight or loose, but had reraised PF a few times. Thanks in advance for any input.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

CO (t2905)
Button (t825)
SB (t675)
BB (t2405)
UTG (t1295)
UTG+1 (t2380)
Hero (t1255)
MP2 (t1760)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t200</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls t200, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>.

Flop: (t475) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t400</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to t1250</font>


Results in white below: <font color="white"> Hero calls t655 (All-In).

Turn: (t2780) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t2780) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t2780
metfan630: shows [Qd Qs] (two pair, Queens and Eights)
Fox88: shows [4c 6c] (a straight, Four to Eight)

[Voltron87]

I go broke here.

[John Hurst]

No.

[ThomB]

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I go broke here.

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Ditto

[John Hurst]

I'll expand on my comment. The majority of the time your opponent will be on a draw. Or he could have top pair. You must call. That is all.

[sofere]

Are you kidding? Of course you fold this flop. There's no way he's making that play with 99, TT, JJ, A8, Ax club!!! Easiest read in poker history.

[pokerlaw]

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I'll expand on my comment. The majority of the time your opponent will be on a draw. Or he could have top pair. You must call. That is all.

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pretty much what i was thinking. thx

[Nothinghead]

just a tough break that someone was playing 46 for a raise.

there are a ton of drawing hands and hands you have pretty slaughtered that will come along there.

better luck next time.

[gasgod]

I'm swimming upstream here, but I fold.

CO will likely show you two pair or a set. (or, less likely, a straight.) If he's a maniac on a semi-bluff, pay him. The chances of that are probably less than 25%.


GG

[valenzuela]

He did not call a raise with 46 8 handed right? no way he called a raise when he has little implied odds due to stacks? I must be wrong right? right?? Personally I dont blame folks who think online poker is rigged( plz dont deduce I think online poker is rigged)

[kspade]

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He did not call a raise with 46 8 handed right? no way he called a raise when he has little implied odds due to stacks? I must be wrong right? right?? Personally I dont blame folks who think online poker is rigged( plz dont deduce I think online poker is rigged)

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Well, I might not do it, but I don't think calling a raise
here is such a bad concept for villain. It's less than 10%
of his stack, he has position with only 3 left to act, and IF hero plays typically tight then villain has a pretty good idea of what hero has. It's easy to get away from a high card flop and easy to bust hero if the flop DOES hit, because hero would never dream of someone calling with 4 6 sooooooooooooted. lolol. I've seen Nick Stokes on UB do this very thing often.

Of course, I suck, so flame away. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

[holeplug]

add villain to your buddy list

[BradleyT]

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I don't think calling a raise
here is such a bad concept for villain. It's less than 10%
of his stack

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It's about 17% of hero's stack.

[apd138]

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I don't think calling a raise
here is such a bad concept for villain. It's less than 10%
of his stack

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It's about 17% of hero's stack.

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[kspade]

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I don't think calling a raise
here is such a bad concept for villain. It's less than 10%
of his stack

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It's about 17% of hero's stack.

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I'm talking about the villain - to call hero's PF bet of $200 costs the villain less than 10% of his stack.

[valenzuela]

Its 17% of hero stack..he has like no implied odds. For example If I have 40000 chips ( blinds are 100/200)..and a short stack that has 3000 chips goes all-in I have to call with 22 because its less than 10% of my stack and I can flop a set.

[Simplistic]

the thing I hate most about villain's call pf is him being out of position, 3 people to act behind.

i go broke here every single time.

[john_]

Obviously the results suck and you're going to go bankrupt here 96% of the time.

But...just be happy you play in a game where people will call a 200 chip pre-flop raise with 64s in this spot.

[utmt40]

Good call, that guy shouldnt be calling raises with that anyway. I dont think you can really put him on that hand with him calling your raise. lol

[kspade]

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Its 17% of hero stack..he has like no implied odds. For example If I have 40000 chips ( blinds are 100/200)..and a short stack that has 3000 chips goes all-in I have to call with 22 because its less than 10% of my stack and I can flop a set.

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My point exactly - I think we're arguing the same thing (though I don't know if I call 3000 chips a SS - I think you meant 300 chips).

[BillyKGB]

Id raise h*ll lot more with QQ in that level! Keeps me from worrying about hands like 64s..