deathpotato
03-23-2005, 05:08 AM
OK, sorry about the QQ posts, but I really need to know how I'm out of line here. I'm pretty sure I completely messed this hand up. I'll get into how later on.
MP in this hand has raised a grand total of 0 times preflop in my 90 hands with him. Thinking about it now, this could easily be variance hitting an already-very-passive player, but at the time I was filled with the urge to play this hand strangely (as you can see). Postflop he is quite aggressive, bets his draws/semibluffs, and makes good folds. BB is quite the calling station, he has called to showdown with J-high.
Anyway, on to the hand. Preflop, I was thinking that with a 0% PFR over 90 hands, this guy is probably raising AA-QQ or JJ maybe, and AK/AKs. Of this range, I only dominate JJ, so I'll... call? Now this seems like a very much worse option than raising. If I raise I not only usually knock out BB, I know that if he caps I am almost certainly behind. Out of what I think his preflop raising range is, AA-JJ, AK, AKs, I'm only dominated 12 times, am dominating 6, am slightly ahead 20, and obviously chop once. This should be easy to get away from should a K or A flop.
On the flop, I was lost, quite frankly. Looking at it now, if I raise, BB will likely fold, provided he isn't on a straight or flush or gutshot draw, possibly clearing up Aces or Kings if MP has JJ. I think MP will 3bet me with his AA-JJ, and will 3bet maybe 25% of the time with AK, all the time with AsKs obviously. I think I'm calling here because I really don't know what to do if raised.
On the turn, I now have a 3rd-nut one card flush draw (nothing to really call home about, but still, if he has AA or KK I have hope), but BB may have just got there. I think this call is OK, and if extremely passive BB raises, I can easily fold a non-spade river. Again, I call because I don't know what to do against a raise from MP.
Well that's a harmless river, provided BB wasn't calling with an actual pair for once. Again, I call, here I think this is the right play. I don't see any value in a raise, AK will likely fold, MP is certainly not folding AA-JJ, and will probably reraise these hands, as he knows I don't make a habit of coldcalling with 3s. He has AA-KK at least twice as often as he has JJ, so getting 3bet sucks. BB is generally very passive all the time, but I'm not sure that I can fold to a raise from him even with the board pairing now. If for some reason BB raised and MP 3-bet, which I don't think he would do, I would fold.
As a side-note, I don't think MP folds KK to a raise if an A comes after my coldcall.
Well, it feels good to get this mess off my chest. There are very likely 2, and quite possibly 3 misplayed streets here, so please shout some sense into me before I mangle a hand like this again.
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Preflop: Hero is Button with Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls.
Flop: (6.40 SB) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, Hero calls, BB calls.
Turn: (4.70 BB) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, Hero calls, BB calls.
River: (7.70 BB) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, Hero calls, BB folds.
Final Pot: 9.70 BB
MP in this hand has raised a grand total of 0 times preflop in my 90 hands with him. Thinking about it now, this could easily be variance hitting an already-very-passive player, but at the time I was filled with the urge to play this hand strangely (as you can see). Postflop he is quite aggressive, bets his draws/semibluffs, and makes good folds. BB is quite the calling station, he has called to showdown with J-high.
Anyway, on to the hand. Preflop, I was thinking that with a 0% PFR over 90 hands, this guy is probably raising AA-QQ or JJ maybe, and AK/AKs. Of this range, I only dominate JJ, so I'll... call? Now this seems like a very much worse option than raising. If I raise I not only usually knock out BB, I know that if he caps I am almost certainly behind. Out of what I think his preflop raising range is, AA-JJ, AK, AKs, I'm only dominated 12 times, am dominating 6, am slightly ahead 20, and obviously chop once. This should be easy to get away from should a K or A flop.
On the flop, I was lost, quite frankly. Looking at it now, if I raise, BB will likely fold, provided he isn't on a straight or flush or gutshot draw, possibly clearing up Aces or Kings if MP has JJ. I think MP will 3bet me with his AA-JJ, and will 3bet maybe 25% of the time with AK, all the time with AsKs obviously. I think I'm calling here because I really don't know what to do if raised.
On the turn, I now have a 3rd-nut one card flush draw (nothing to really call home about, but still, if he has AA or KK I have hope), but BB may have just got there. I think this call is OK, and if extremely passive BB raises, I can easily fold a non-spade river. Again, I call because I don't know what to do against a raise from MP.
Well that's a harmless river, provided BB wasn't calling with an actual pair for once. Again, I call, here I think this is the right play. I don't see any value in a raise, AK will likely fold, MP is certainly not folding AA-JJ, and will probably reraise these hands, as he knows I don't make a habit of coldcalling with 3s. He has AA-KK at least twice as often as he has JJ, so getting 3bet sucks. BB is generally very passive all the time, but I'm not sure that I can fold to a raise from him even with the board pairing now. If for some reason BB raised and MP 3-bet, which I don't think he would do, I would fold.
As a side-note, I don't think MP folds KK to a raise if an A comes after my coldcall.
Well, it feels good to get this mess off my chest. There are very likely 2, and quite possibly 3 misplayed streets here, so please shout some sense into me before I mangle a hand like this again.
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Preflop: Hero is Button with Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls.
Flop: (6.40 SB) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, Hero calls, BB calls.
Turn: (4.70 BB) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, Hero calls, BB calls.
River: (7.70 BB) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, Hero calls, BB folds.
Final Pot: 9.70 BB