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ihardlyknowher

03-22-2005, 02:41 AM

Villain = Slightly-loose & passive

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif.
1 fold, Hero raises, 5 folds, Button :#A500AF(Villain)/ calls, 1 fold, BB calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, Villain calls, BB folds.

Turn: (4.25 BB) A/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Villain checks.

River: (4.25 BB) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, Villain calls.

Final Pot: 6.25 BB

Brian462

03-22-2005, 03:21 AM

I bet this turn and call down a raise nearly every time. This is my typical line for typical reasons(my hand is likely best and there is at least 1 draw possible as well as a handful of 2nd best hands). This is even more likely given that your opponent is loose-passive.

einbert

03-22-2005, 03:24 AM

Bet the turn, that was the best possible card for you besides the two other kings.

mtdoak

03-22-2005, 03:30 AM

Two things: 1/2=micros.

Second. If you dont think he has an ace on the flop, why check when the second one comes out? He's twice as likley NOT to have it. If you get raised, oh well.

bernie

03-22-2005, 03:35 AM

I love the title. I can't wait to use that in the cardroom.

Guy probably has the J /images/graemlins/spade.gif with another spade/

Or just a pair of 2s. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

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me454555

03-22-2005, 03:46 AM

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I bet this turn and call down a raise nearly every time.

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This is a loosing proposition. What kind of hands do you think your opponent will raise? A flush draw would probobly pop you on the flop and your opponent would have to be real tricky to bluff raise you on the turn w/out an A or better. Bet and FOLD to a raise.

einbert

03-22-2005, 03:49 AM

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I bet this turn and call down a raise nearly every time. This is my typical line for typical reasons(my hand is likely best and there is at least 1 draw possible as well as a handful of 2nd best hands). This is even more likely given that your opponent is loose-passive.

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I don't think calling a loose-passive's turn raise is a great idea here. Loose-passives don't raise draws and they generally don't raise the turn without a hand that beats yours here.

ThinkQuick

03-22-2005, 06:07 AM

Don't let him have a free river.

I would fold if raised by a passive player.

I wouldn't fold if the player was ever agressive/stealing/tricky, or if I was playing at my casino where I would win $10000 for losing with AAAKK if and when that river A hits.

stoxtrader

03-22-2005, 11:46 AM

perfect.

27offsooot

03-22-2005, 11:52 AM

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perfect.

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Explain please. Normally I would ignore this, but coming from a top mid/high poster, I'm confused.

ErrantNight

03-22-2005, 11:54 AM

the A is probably the best card that could have fallen for you. bet the turn.

ErrantNight

03-22-2005, 11:55 AM

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I bet this turn and call down a raise nearly every time.

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This is a loosing proposition. What kind of hands do you think your opponent will raise? A flush draw would probobly pop you on the flop and your opponent would have to be real tricky to bluff raise you on the turn w/out an A or better. Bet and FOLD to a raise.

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ckessel

03-22-2005, 12:01 PM

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Bet the turn, that was the best possible card for you besides the two other kings.

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Exactly. Why bet the flop, but not the turn if you're afraid of an ace? The turn ace makes the villian holding an ace even less likely, combined with the fact he didn't raise on the flop.

wyoak

03-22-2005, 12:04 PM

betting the turn chases away villian who is holding Jxo or an underpair, but it won't chase away villian who is holding 2 spades and it certainly won't scare villian holding Ax. dunno. i'd have bet.

JoshuaD

03-22-2005, 12:06 PM

Bet the turn, that was a really nice card. If your opponent is really passive, I'll fold to a raise, otherwise I call down the raise.

meep_42

03-22-2005, 02:11 PM

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Villain = Slightly-loose & passive

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif.
1 fold, Hero raises, 5 folds, Button :#A500AF(Villain)/ calls, 1 fold, BB calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, Villain calls, BB folds.

Turn: (4.25 BB) A/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Villain checks.

River: (4.25 BB) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, Villain calls.

Final Pot: 6.25 BB

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Preflop: Hero is BB with J/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
1 fold, MP calls, Button calls, SB completes, Hero raises, MP calls, Button calls, SB calls.

Flop: (8 SB) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP calls, Button calls, SB folds.

Turn: (5.50 BB) K/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
Hero bets, MP folds, Button calls.

River: (7.50 BB) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, Button raises, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 10.50 BB

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