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xorbie

03-21-2005, 11:58 PM

No real reads.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP1 ($22.25)
Hero ($27.25)
MP3 ($19.4)
CO ($20.5)
Button ($26.1)
SB (Villain) ($24.25)
BB ($35.53)
UTG ($25.6)
UTG+1 ($24)
UTG+2 ($14.5)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif. SB (Villain) posts a blind of $0.1.
4 folds, Hero raises to $1, 1 fold, CO calls $1, 1 fold, SB (Villain) (poster) calls $0.90, 1 fold.

Flop: ($3.25) K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
Villain checks, Hero bets $2, CO calls $2, Villain raises to $8, Hero folds, CO calls $6.

Turn: ($21.25) 5/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)

River: ($21.25) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)

Final Pot: $21.25

Results in white below: 
Villain has 8c 8s (full house, eights full of fives).
CO has Th Jh (one pair, fives).
Outcome: Villain wins $21.25.

DoomSlice

03-22-2005, 12:56 AM

How do you fold this without a read?

ninjaunderwear

03-22-2005, 12:59 AM

What kind of hands would check-raise that Hero would be ahead of?

mishafp

03-22-2005, 12:59 AM

I guess he respected the check raise, pot size bet. Well done, nice read.

kurto

03-22-2005, 01:01 AM

the villains play was 'textbook set' play. That raise, barring a bluffing fool, definitely reads TPTK no good.

DoomSlice

03-22-2005, 01:05 AM

(Not replying specifically to any one post) Do you guys fold every time that you are check-raised?

xorbie

03-22-2005, 01:56 AM

Not if he does it all the time, but if I have no reads on a player, sure.

kurto

03-22-2005, 01:58 AM

"Do you guys fold every time that you are check-raised? " absolutely not. There's a lot of factors (preflop action, who the player is, what draws there are...)

I'm just saying this specific was played exactly how people play sets.

mishafp

03-22-2005, 02:21 AM

pot size check raise with only one pair, no draws, probably drawing to runner-runner (or at best to 5 outs), and no read? Yep, i fold usually /images/graemlins/smile.gif

poboy

03-22-2005, 02:28 AM

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the villains play was 'textbook set' play. That raise, barring a bluffing fool, definitely reads TPTK no good.

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I'm not saying folding is bad here, it's not. But I don't think this is always a set, I would play a big draw much the same way villian played his hand. Without a read that villian would play his draws this way though , I think it's a good fold. JMO

kyro

03-22-2005, 02:31 AM

[ QUOTE ]
pot size check raise with only one pair, no draws, probably drawing to runner-runner (or at best to 5 outs), and no read? Yep, i fold usually /images/graemlins/smile.gif

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At Party $25? Maybe things are different with the new blind structure, but I folded this 0% without a read with the old structure playing at the 25. You'd see 2 hearts, JT, 67, KQ a lot more often then you'll see a set.

I'm not saying this a bad fold necessarily. But I think we're giving Party players at that limit too much credit.

kurto

03-22-2005, 03:01 AM

"I'm not saying this a bad fold necessarily. But I think we're giving Party players at that limit too much credit. "

It's also dangerous to put all party players in the boat. If you assume they're all idiots, you're going to get burned. After all, most people here play on Party.

That's why you really need a read on a player before you decide if this is a bad fold or not. If you fold this 0% of the time, I'd say you have a huge leak.

kyro

03-22-2005, 05:09 AM

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"I'm not saying this a bad fold necessarily. But I think we're giving Party players at that limit too much credit. "

It's also dangerous to put all party players in the boat. If you assume they're all idiots, you're going to get burned. After all, most people here play on Party.

That's why you really need a read on a player before you decide if this is a bad fold or not. If you fold this 0% of the time, I'd say you have a huge leak.

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I agree. Reads are good. But we don't have a read here. And if this is my first hand at the table, and we're assuming 50BB stacks, I'm not folding here. Should I assume ALL Party players are donkeys? No. But I'm assuming 90% of them are. I'll be wrong occasionally, but the times I'm right more than make up for it.

Also, I realize these aren't 50BB stacks. I haven't played seriously at the 25NL since the stacks changed so I don't know what I would do given I don't know the nature of the game anymore. I'm merely speaking of how things used to be.

fimbulwinter

03-22-2005, 05:31 AM

i think this is a bad move on any board containing 89/images/graemlins/heart.gif

change the board to K73r and you're making me proud.

fim

xorbie

03-22-2005, 06:53 AM

True, true. I just don't see too many people check raising their draws on party.