octop
03-21-2005, 11:15 PM
We know what the odds are for 9 outs iwth 1 or 2 cards left, but do we really always have 9 outs when we chase a flush?
The following hand is an example of the person chasing the flush having only 6 outs:
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)
SB ($260.25)
BB ($65.45)
UTG ($99)
UTG+1 ($100)
UTG+2 ($123.45)
MP1 ($94.8)
MP2 ($112.2)
MP3 ($114.35)
Hero ($113.4)
Button ($41.55)
Preflop: Hero is CO with 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.5.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls $1, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to $2</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls $2, Button calls $2, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls $1, UTG+1 calls $1.
Flop: ($10.50) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets $3</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $12</font>, Button folds, BB calls $12, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls $9.
Turn: ($46.50) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $40</font>, BB folds, MP1 calls $40.
River: ($126.50) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $41</font>, MP1 calls $40.80 (All-In).
Final Pot: $208.30
Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
MP1 has Tc Ac (one pair, aces).
Hero has 7d 7s (three of a kind, sevens).
Outcome: Hero wins $208.29. </font>
Now clearly in this situation 3 of the 9 remaining clubs either a full house or quads
Should we be disocunting outs on flush draws?
The following hand is an example of the person chasing the flush having only 6 outs:
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)
SB ($260.25)
BB ($65.45)
UTG ($99)
UTG+1 ($100)
UTG+2 ($123.45)
MP1 ($94.8)
MP2 ($112.2)
MP3 ($114.35)
Hero ($113.4)
Button ($41.55)
Preflop: Hero is CO with 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.5.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls $1, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to $2</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls $2, Button calls $2, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls $1, UTG+1 calls $1.
Flop: ($10.50) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets $3</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $12</font>, Button folds, BB calls $12, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls $9.
Turn: ($46.50) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $40</font>, BB folds, MP1 calls $40.
River: ($126.50) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $41</font>, MP1 calls $40.80 (All-In).
Final Pot: $208.30
Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
MP1 has Tc Ac (one pair, aces).
Hero has 7d 7s (three of a kind, sevens).
Outcome: Hero wins $208.29. </font>
Now clearly in this situation 3 of the 9 remaining clubs either a full house or quads
Should we be disocunting outs on flush draws?