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ArturiusX
03-21-2005, 09:20 PM
Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, Hero calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (7 SB) 5/images/graemlins/club.gif, 3/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(7 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, MP3 calls, CO calls, Hero calls, SB folds, BB folds, MP1 calls.

Turn: (6 BB) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, MP3 calls, CO calls, Hero calls, MP1 calls.

River: (11 BB) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
MP1 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks, CO checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 11 BB

Firefly
03-21-2005, 09:24 PM
ehhh..I don't know if I dig the PF call... I mean easily with a suited connector but that's just...random suited junk.
The post-flop play is fine

ArturiusX
03-21-2005, 09:27 PM
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ehhh..I don't know if I dig the PF call... I mean easily with a suited connector but that's just...random suited junk.
The post-flop play is fine

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I'd only play it on the button with completely ideal conditions.

I held my mouse pointer over the fold, but I decided to back myself a little more.

GoHoosiers
03-21-2005, 09:29 PM
I think I would also call this PF. Like you said, only if it played out perfectly to you....as it did.

Rich

NAU_Player
03-21-2005, 09:29 PM
preflop is marginal
postflop looks fine to me.
You have 5.5 outs on the flop (BDFD, 2 5's, 2 9's) and you are getting 10:1 on your call.
On the turn you have 13 outs (9 /images/graemlins/heart.gifs 2 5's 2 9's) and are getting 8:1

any specific question?

Kumubou
03-21-2005, 09:30 PM
I wouldn't play this pre-flop either; suited junk is only worth playing out of the small blind for half a bet.

I also fold this flop. Low middle pair with a ton of overcards to worry about (reverse implied odds, right?) and a backdoor flush that's only good ~1 in 25 times.

[edit: err, I'm an idiot. You also have five outs to two pair or better, with the pot offering 10:1 odds. You can take a card off here.]

Turn and river were fine, though.

-K

FishHooks
03-21-2005, 09:31 PM
I think small suited 2 gappers is really the worst hand i'll call in this situation, I think this is also a PF fold.

ArturiusX
03-21-2005, 09:31 PM
Mostly preflop input.

gchaos
03-21-2005, 09:33 PM
I would like to hear the argument for calling pre-flop, because I will fold this 100% of the time. Something like T8s, sure. But 95s??? No way.

NAU_Player
03-21-2005, 09:39 PM
given that there is no preflop agression, you have 6 people along for the ride, and your 9 high flush draw with a triple gutshot straight possibiltiy will have position throughout the hand, I'd say if you are ever going to play 9 /images/graemlins/heart.gif 5 /images/graemlins/heart.gif this is the time.

ErrantNight
03-21-2005, 09:42 PM
really, REALLY loose call on the button. not recommended most of the time. hardly any of the time.

now that you've got a flop, i'd semi-bluff raise it.

LoaferGee12
03-21-2005, 09:44 PM
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really, REALLY loose call on the button. not recommended most of the time. hardly any of the time.

now that you've got a flop, i'd semi-bluff raise it.

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For what reason would you semibluff this?

TALLBrad
03-21-2005, 09:44 PM
I typically wouldn't play this pre-flop, but given the limpers to you there are enough for this "on the draw" hand.

Agree with the flop call. Interesting on the Turn you could have tried a raise, given all of your outs and value of the pot. Although most of the time I'd just call too.

gchaos
03-21-2005, 09:55 PM
That's just it, I would never play 95s outside of the blinds.

ArturiusX
03-21-2005, 10:36 PM
I was thinking about a raise briefly, but some of my outs aren't good enough to make a raise profitable. And thats provided that everyone called.