Was i supposed to protect? But its KK...

[ZebraAss]

I have no reads.

***** Hand History for Game 1769384527 *****
NL Hold'em $50 Buy-in + $5 Entry Fee Trny:10581370 Level:2 Blinds(15/30) - Monday, March 21, 11:17:36 EDT 2005
Table Table 11840 (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 2: ZebraAss ( $900 )
Seat 3: sungari ( $2170 )
Seat 6: bigdog9x2 ( $1240 )
Seat 7: kopcheniy ( $1015 )
Seat 8: MomImSorry ( $850 )
Seat 9: GamesBond007 ( $1585 )
Seat 10: Golf_Ace_AZ ( $2240 )
Trny:10581370 Level:2
Blinds(15/30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to ZebraAss [ Kd Kh ]
Golf_Ace_AZ folds.
ZebraAss raises [90].
sungari folds.
bigdog9x2 calls [90].
kopcheniy folds.
MomImSorry folds.
GamesBond007 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Jc, 8h, 2h ]
ZebraAss bets [175].
bigdog9x2 calls [175].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ts ]
ZebraAss bets [300].
bigdog9x2 raises [600].
ZebraAss....

[Patrick Duffy]

in my opinion, villain only has 3 or 4 possible hands...

1. jt...would explain the 175 call and his raise...he may have called pf because he had position and jt isnt all that bad of a hand

2. aj...again explains the call with position but i dont know about his call of 175 with no pair

3. aa...very sneaky if he slowplayed it, but seems to me like an outside chance from the way he played it. i think he wouldve raised all-in after the flop if he had aces

4. tt...self-explanatory...made his move when the ten hit

in three of these cases youre pretty much screwed, but over half your chips are already in the pot. i say push and hope for aj

keep in mind tho...i play the 5.50's, not the 55s =)

[ZebraAss]

5.5...55...its all the same.

[BradleyT]

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he may have called pf because he had position and jt isnt all that bad of a hand

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JT sucks against a raise. Hell, at a full table it sucks against no raise unless it's sOOted.

[ZebraAss]

/images/graemlins/frown.gif....it wasn't suited.

[Patrick Duffy]

so villain had jack ten?

[BradleyT]

You've still got 8 outs to beat him if he's got JT. I don't think your odds are quite there....

Only other hand I can see him playing like this is QQ or TT.

Edit or 88/22/JJ of course. It's DAMN hard to lay down KK, but based on the action I can't see anything you beat here (except a horribly played AJ) and the odds aren't there to try and catch up.

[sofere]

I think JJ is also a possiblity, along with AJ and 88 (though slightly less so)

[Scuba Chuck]

This looks like the pretty typical betting pattern of someone with pocket Jacks or Pocket 8s by the way. It doesn't mean they aren't an idiot, though, and overplaying AJ.

I sometimes go broke trying to answer this question. As I'm sure you did/ or considered.

[microbet]

You did protect. With kings I might raise to 120 or so preflop, but that might just be chicken of me.

On the turn with your stack and the pot where they are, I don't see how you can fold. There are a few possible hands you can beat, like QQ, 99, Ah9h, AhQh, AJ or you could suck out and hit bigger trips.

[HC5831]

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***** Hand History for Game 1769384527 *****
NL Hold'em $50 Buy-in + $5 Entry Fee Trny:10581370 Level:2 Blinds(15/30) - Monday, March 21, 11:17:36 EDT 2005
Table Table 11840 (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 2: ZebraAss ( $900 )
Seat 3: sungari ( $2170 )
Seat 6: bigdog9x2 ( $1240 )
Seat 7: kopcheniy ( $1015 )
Seat 8: MomImSorry ( $850 )
Seat 9: GamesBond007 ( $1585 )
Seat 10: Golf_Ace_AZ ( $2240 )
Trny:10581370 Level:2
Blinds(15/30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to ZebraAss [ Kd Kh ]
Golf_Ace_AZ folds.
ZebraAss raises [90].
sungari folds.
bigdog9x2 calls [90].
kopcheniy folds.
MomImSorry folds.
GamesBond007 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Jc, 8h, 2h ]
ZebraAss bets [175].
bigdog9x2 calls [175].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ts ]
ZebraAss bets [300].
bigdog9x2 raises [600].
ZebraAss....

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Players are very weak even at the 50 level. As such, many players will cold call PP's trying for trips on the flop. This situation is very common for PP play.

Here's what I think happened. You opponent flat called the 90 bet because of "implied pot odds" and his position. Although, they don't need position to make this move. He flat called his trips, knowing that you'll likely fire into the pot on the turn. You did and he min raised your 300 bet trying to extract more chips instead of moving all in. A min raise of this kind often signals trips. It's a huge warning bell.

The PF bet was too small. You need to OB the pot here to 125 to punish people who would call with PP's hoping for trips. In fact, calling 90 with this hand may even be a +EV play for him, if he knows you cannot lay down your premium PP if he hits. He will hit this 1 out of 7 times and you have 10x the 90 bet. You have to factor in what happens if an A hits and if you can lay down a hand, but I believe it's close.

A 125 bet will solve this problem. Maybe even 150 because the blinds often make the same play. It sucks only taking down the blinds at the 15/30 level. It sucks more to get busted by trips.

I've had my big PP busted by trips way too many times. So I usually OB my PP's at the 10/15, 15/30 lv's. You have other options of course. You could flat call if you know some of your opponents will attack a limper. Or if there is a short stack who will all in trying to pick up some chips. You could also all in OB, hoping someone will call with a medium pair or AK. Both of these work with some success.

HC

[curtains]

On the turn you are pot committed and have to put your money in. They won't always have you beat here (Although they will more often than not). If you plan to fold the turn here, then I hate your turn bet.

[ZebraAss]

I had no intension of folding on the turn what so ever.

[curtains]

Okay, your hand question ended with it being your move on the turn, so wasn't sure what you had in mind.

I think the rest of the hand was fine then. Your bet on the flop was a serious bet (I'd probably bet the same amount)...sometimes you are just going to lose.

[Nothinghead]

i think you're pretty much gonna get your money in here, almost all your chips are already in and you're ahead enough of the time.

im interested in what you thought of his call on the flop seeing as it was a nearly a pot sized bet. flush draw? AhJh? in order to bet out again on the turn, you had to put him on a hand that you were ahead of and the only hand i can think of that made it ahead was something like JT, which is a pretty loose call preflop. on the other hand Ah9h had a flush and an overcard that he may have assumed was good. that gave him about 12 outs on the flop and another 6 after the T. also, AhJh doesn't look too bad on that board. especially since it was only a pf raise of 90 and he had position.

i can think of a lot of hands you beat in this case. of course he could have made a set, but i think in this case it's something you might have to pay off with so much of your stack in.

my logic might not be right, but im new to sng's and trying to learn still. so someone let me know if that was flawed or whatnot.

[ZebraAss]

***** Hand History for Game 1770834236 *****
NL Hold'em $50 Buy-in + $5 Entry Fee Trny:10589499 Level:1 Blinds(10/15) - Monday, March 21, 18:03:17 EDT 2005
Table Table 14213 (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 4: DJAZHOW ( $885 )
Seat 9: bigchev40 ( $910 )
Seat 5: jaky04 ( $2285 )
Seat 7: ZebraAss ( $975 )
Seat 10: khakio123 ( $830 )
Seat 8: GQsmooth76 ( $830 )
Seat 6: Brannd ( $1565 )
Seat 1: dickielegs ( $1225 )
Seat 3: DTB111 ( $405 )
Seat 2: freespar ( $90 )
Trny:10589499 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to ZebraAss [ Kc Kd ]
DTB111 calls [15].
DJAZHOW calls [15].
jaky04 folds.
Brannd folds.
ZebraAss raises [75].
GQsmooth76 folds.
bigchev40 calls [75].
khakio123 folds.
dickielegs folds.
freespar folds.
DTB111 calls [60].
DJAZHOW folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8c, Th, Js ]
DTB111 checks.
ZebraAss bets [175].
bigchev40 calls [175].
DTB111 calls [175].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ks ]
DTB111 checks.
ZebraAss is all-In [725]
bigchev40 is all-In [660]
DTB111 folds.
** Dealing River ** [ Ad ]
ZebraAss shows [ Kc, Kd ] three of a kind, kings.
bigchev40 shows [ Ac, 2c ] a pair of aces.
bigchev40 finished in tenth place.
ZebraAss wins 65 chips from side pot #1 with three of a kind, kings.
ZebraAss wins 2110 chips from the main pot with three of a kind, kings.
bigchev40 has left the table.

[EarlCat]

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5.5...55...its all the same.

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** Dealing Turn ** [ Ks ]
DTB111 checks.
ZebraAss is all-In [725]
bigchev40 is all-In [660]
...
bigchev40 shows [ Ac, 2c ]

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You were right.

[ZebraAss]

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