Joker finally plays a hand well: KJs

[private joker]

Commerce 4/8. Table is fishy. I'm up 1.5 racks in 4 hours. My image is pretty tight -- when others raise PF, it's still 6-handed. When I raise, it's 3 at most, often just me and the BB heads up. I've shown down quads, straights, and top 2.

BB in this hand is loose, neutral aggression.

One limper to me in the CO with KJs. I raise. Button and SB fold, BB and limper call.

3 to the flop for 6sb. Flop is KQJ (suits unimportant).

BB bets out. Limper folds. I raise. BB calls.

2 to the turn for 5BBs. Turn is a Q.

BB checks. I check.

River is an 8.

BB checks. I bet, planning to fold to a raise...

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I don't like giving a free card to an A or T on the turn.

[wrto4556]

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I don't like giving a free card to an A or T on the turn.

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same here. I think you should bet the turn and fold to a raise instead of the river.

[Elbie]

Isn´t bet the turn, fold to a raise a better line? (no free card to an A or a T)

[private joker]

No. Betting the turn is bad. I have to fold to a checkraise, whereas I can call a river bet for the same price and see a showdown. I can also induce a bluff on the river with my check. I'm not too worried about giving a free card. Sure, a straight draw might get there, but he isn't folding a straight draw.

[Elbie]

I see your point and change my mind accordingly /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Nick C]

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Sure, a straight draw might get there, but he isn't folding a straight draw.

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Ace-rag, which has seven outs against you, might fold.

I agree that a ten probably isn't going anywhere.

I think the turn check is okay, but I also think the merit of the play does depend on how likely your opponent is to bluff the river.

[mantasm]

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Sure, a straight draw might get there, but he isn't folding a straight draw.

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Maybe he won't fold a T or 9, but that doesn't mean he's correct to call. And if he has ten or nine high he will call here but not call the river, and probably not bluff. I still think a turn bet is best.

[Michael Davis]

I don't think the possibility of picking up a river bet from a bluff (unlikely) or a call with a J is worth not betting the turn and giving a hand with possible 4-7 outs a free card here.

Taking a free card when behind is worth considering but if you have to fold you're probably pitching a two-outer. You will make money betting the turn, I'm not sure you will make any on the river.

-Michael

[gaming_mouse]

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I have to fold to a checkraise,

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Is he capable of a turn raise bluff? How likely is that? It sounds unlikely given your description, so I think you bet the turn for value.

Your line makes much more sense against a good, tricky opponent who will bluff the turn the proper percentage of times.

[Schizo]

Holy cow gamming mouse, don't you ever sleep?

[gaming_mouse]

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Holy cow gamming mouse, don't you ever sleep?

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Lately from about 5 or 6 am to noon.

[Schizo]

It's 7 am right now, what time is it where you're at?

Also, did you go pro?

[gaming_mouse]

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It's 7 am right now, what time is it where you're at?

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4:20

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Also, did you go pro?

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Well, I don't think I'd call it that, but I am making most of my money playing (it's just enough, imo, to warrant the adjective "pro").

[Schizo]

wow, well if you don't mind me asking, what is your "day job"?

[gaming_mouse]

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wow, well if you don't mind me asking, what is your "day job"?

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edit: i meant to write "it's just not enough", btw.

my day job varies.