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ihardlyknowher

03-21-2005, 01:24 AM

Villain = slightly-loose & passive to neutral (1.3 postflop aggression)

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Preflop: Hero is Button with T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, MP2 :#A500AF(Villain)/ calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, SB calls, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP2 :#A500AF(Villain)/ calls.

Flop: (9 SB) Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 checks, Villain checks, Hero bets, SB folds, UTG+1 folds, Villain calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Villain bets, Hero calls.

River: (7.50 BB) J/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Villain bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9.50 BB

milesdyson

03-21-2005, 01:29 AM

I would check the flop through.

And fold the river.

bozlax

03-21-2005, 01:39 AM

Don't raise this PF. Check the flop. If you've got the odds without a lot of your own money in the pot, you can call the turn, but I don't think you will (your action is the only reason you're even close the way it played out). Fold the river.

deepsquat

03-21-2005, 01:41 AM

Yes, fold the river. Raise this pf if it was suited or shorthanded. (1 limper)

milesdyson

03-21-2005, 01:42 AM

This is an easy preflop raise. There are only 2 limpers in and you have position.

bozlax

03-21-2005, 01:44 AM

Suited, I agree. Unsuited, it's a limp.

milesdyson

03-21-2005, 01:47 AM

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Suited, I agree. Unsuited, it's a limp.

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Against 2 limpers, suitedness doesn't matter very much. OP also said villain was a loose player. Raising is much better than limping.

caggin

03-21-2005, 01:48 AM

Why no raise preflop? I would've raised also, there's only 2 limpers so you probably aren't dominated, and you may get rid of the blinds. I limp in late position if it's multiway, like maybe 5 players.

Aaron W.

03-21-2005, 01:57 AM

If raising preflop makes you play poorly postflop, just limp.

stoxtrader

03-21-2005, 09:28 AM

you played it fine, although your bluffing equity at these limits are so low, checking thru on flop is also an option.

the river call is a tad loose once you don't hit any of your dirty outs....

UncleSalty

03-21-2005, 11:05 AM

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If raising preflop makes you play poorly postflop, just limp.

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I think this may be money-saving advice for the short-term, but it's much more important to make +EV plays PF and learn to improve your post-flop game. After all, that's why we're all here, right? /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

KaiShin

03-21-2005, 11:43 AM

This is an easy raise PF. If you can't raise this hand on the button then you need to work on your positional play.

I can live with the bet on the flop. Fold the river though.

davelin

03-21-2005, 11:46 AM

Honestly I think I would've played every post-flop street differently than how you played it.

Aaron W.

03-21-2005, 01:24 PM

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If raising preflop makes you play poorly postflop, just limp.

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I think this may be money-saving advice for the short-term, but it's much more important to make +EV plays PF and learn to improve your post-flop game. After all, that's why we're all here, right? /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

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Short term, yes. Hero is clearly having a tough time with his overcard lines, and he should spend the time to study this aspect of the game. In the meantime, he should play the game that's the most +EV for his ability. If that means limping ATo preflop in position to keep from chip spewing when he misses, then that's what he should do. You can learn about +EV preflop play and learn to correct -EV postflop play without actually playing. Too many people spend too much time at the tables and it inhibits their learning.