KQ, top pair + flush draw. HELP

[ZebraAss]

***** Hand History for Game 1766462452 *****
NL Hold'em $50 Buy-in + $5 Entry Fee Trny:10565716 Level:2 Blinds(15/30) - Sunday, March 20, 20:03:57 EDT 2005
Table Table 12577 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: olaaf ( $290 )
Seat 2: gettingbusy ( $1545 )
Seat 3: NANZI333 ( $1225 )
Seat 5: dvstopnach ( $1860 )
Seat 6: ZebraAss ( $940 )
Seat 7: luckypk ( $830 )
Seat 8: gepard1 ( $945 )
Seat 9: Lumpz ( $1270 )
Seat 10: brizzypare00 ( $1095 )
Trny:10565716 Level:2
Blinds(15/30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to ZebraAss [ Qh Kh ]
Lumpz folds.
brizzypare00 folds.
olaaf folds.
gettingbusy folds.
NANZI333 raises [60].
dvstopnach calls [60].
ZebraAss calls [60].
luckypk calls [45].
gepard1 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Th, 6h, Qs ]
luckypk bets [150].
NANZI333 calls [150].
dvstopnach folds.
ZebraAss raises [450].
dvstopnach: there u go
luckypk calls [300].
dvstopnach: punk them out
NANZI333 calls [300].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 4c ]
luckypk checks.
NANZI333 checks.
ZebraAss is all-In [430]
luckypk is all-In [320]
NANZI333 calls [430].
** Dealing River ** [ 5h ]


Did i play this right? No?

[adanthar]

I didn't read anything past the title but you should be all in on the flop.

OK, now I've scrolled down. I fold PF and push the flop. Booooo.

[ZebraAss]

Am I really pushing this? Don't I want callers?

[Elektrik]

Fold to the PFR.

Given that you called, I really don't like your line on the flop. You seem to have no plan - what good does a raise of 450 do for you? What do you do if the turn blanks and they bet again?

There are two possible lines on the flop I like better than yours:

You could push, as you actually hit your monster. However, with a bet and a call in front of you, what's your range of hands here? Someone probably has an overpair, maybe AQ. I'm not sure the exact equity, but it's probably not big enough to make me risk all my chips this early.

An alternative line that I like better is calling the flop bet, call a small/fold to a big bet on the turn unimproved. You risk about 1/5 your stack to most likely double up if you hit.

[curtains]

I fold preflop here, but of course calling is not terrible. On the flop I just move allin

[ZebraAss]

Thanks for the advice.

Luckypk: Ace 9 of hearts
NANZI: KJ spades

-Zebra

PS: I came back from 145 chips to place 2nd /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Benholio]

You are pot committing yourself, is why I would push on the flop. You are not going to avoid getting the rest of your chips in on the turn, so get them in now.

In a cash game you might want to get as many callers as possible when you have a slight edge, but I don't like to try and convince people to play me in a sng, especially in the early rounds.

[wuwei]

[ QUOTE ]
Am I really pushing this? Don't I want callers?

[/ QUOTE ]

You're perfectly happy to take this down now. If you get callers, I'm sure you're still the favorite. That's fine too.

Push the flop.

[ZebraAss]

Is that a leak of mine? Because I wouldnt have been happy just to take it down there...

[wuwei]

[ QUOTE ]
Is that a leak of mine? Because I wouldnt have been happy just to take it down there...

[/ QUOTE ]

Somewhat...

You started the hand with 940 chips. On the flop when it's your action, there's 525 chips in the pot. If you push and take it down, your stack jumps to 1465. That's a nice swing. Remember, your hand at the moment is just TPGK. I'm looking for a stronger made hand on the flop before I start thinking about keeping people around. If you don't hit your flush draw, you're vulnerable to straight draws, two pair draws, an ace, etc. Rather than let them take a stab at these draws on the cheap, get all your chips in there. Once the chips are in, if you get a caller that's a good thing as well.

[ZebraAss]

*sigh*

I am wrong a lot...it's getting easier and easier to accept. /images/graemlins/smile.gif