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zuluking

03-20-2005, 04:58 PM

Clearing Party bonus and this hand irritates me. Should I have raised the flop or was it better to wait until the turn? River raise goot for value or just call?

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 4/images/graemlins/club.gif.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, Hero calls, 2 folds, SB completes, BB raises, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, Hero calls, SB calls.

Flop: (14 SB) 5/images/graemlins/club.gif, 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (7 players)
SB checks, BB bets, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, Hero calls, SB folds.

Turn: (8.50 BB) 6/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
BB bets, UTG+2 calls, Hero raises, BB calls, UTG+2 calls.

River: (14.50 BB) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
BB checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero bets, BB calls, UTG+2 raises, Hero 3-bets, BB folds, UTG+2 calls.

Final Pot: 21.50 BB

Dave G.

03-20-2005, 05:07 PM

Can I ask why did you raise the turn? With 8 outs to the OESD you are a 4.75:1 dog to make it on the river. So you'd need at least 4 callers for this to be +EV, right? With only 2 callers, this seems like a losing play. Unless I'm looking at this at the wrong way...

You might still have top pair, but I think the A on the board reduces that chance significantly. People love to play aces, and 7 players saw that flop.

I can't see why a flop raise would be good here either... most people with an ace aren't folding here.

milesdyson

03-20-2005, 05:07 PM

I like flop call. Were you really debating raising?

I dislike turn raise - 100% of the time you are still drawing, and you do not have enough equity to raise an OESD here.

I dislike river 3-bet - it looks like you're chopping or losing to UTG+2, and you're not allowing BB to overcall.

btspider

03-20-2005, 05:08 PM

i'm confused by the desire to raise the flop or turn.. want to clarify why you want to do it?

on the river, going for an overcall wouldn't be a bad plan..

zuluking

03-20-2005, 05:17 PM

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i'm confused by the desire to raise the flop or turn.. want to clarify why you want to do it?

on the river, going for an overcall wouldn't be a bad plan..

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Because I'm a poker idiot and my post-flop play sucks. btw I lost to 87 clubs.

DoctorDrew

03-20-2005, 05:17 PM

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i'm confused by the desire to raise the flop or turn.. want to clarify why you want to do it?

on the river, going for an overcall wouldn't be a bad plan..

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I agree with mr. spider. The one player you are pretty sure you have beat is BB. Let him call one more. 'Cause if villain caps. . .you have to call, right?

SCfuji

03-20-2005, 05:43 PM

im suspicious of players that have been calling all the way that wake up when a scare card comes up in a multiway pot.

i dont like the turn raise and i dont like the river 3-bet.