"Official" Live at the Bike thread (3/19)

[Kevmath]

Tonight, it's either 20/40 or 30/60 limit. Considering how sleep inducing it was last week, maybe they can recruit some really loose players from the past 2 nights to play in it.

Kevin...

[BBtunaBB]

Stevie!! Where are you Stevie??
Come back to the tables!
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[andyfox]

Maybe mike l. will be in it. Then it'll be fun.

I wasn't able to make it tonight. But maybe next weekend.

[Russ McGinley]

[ QUOTE ]
Stevie!! Where are you Stevie??
Come back to the tables!
/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Somebody sent a limo to pick up Steve.

Seriously.

[CrazyN8]

I'm here that's all the fun you need!

Russ..monitor or bankroll?

[BBtunaBB]

Stevie's coming in the limo??? Nice!!!

[BBtunaBB]

Bring on the STEVIE!!
Time for some real action!
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[CrazyN8]

damn, looks like rick has some chips.

[Russ McGinley]

[ QUOTE ]
I'm here that's all the fun you need!

Russ..monitor or bankroll?

[/ QUOTE ]

Bankroll. This Compaq 15" monitor is really really crappy. Its like 10 years old. Max res is 1024x768, so one table takes up almost the whole screen, haha. I will use it for web surfing and watching LatB so its not totally useless.

[littledave]

George in Seat 7, is "geo" from ITH - Internet Texas Holdem, the website run by Matthew Hilger. He's a big poster over at ITH, very highly respected.

[theredwave]

Seat 7 is a 2+2er. Handle is geormiet.

[Jive Dadson]

Can anyone see the difference in the chips, or does my monitor totally suck?

[Kashie]

whats the guy with the stupid smiley face shirt on?

Nice outfit. lol

[CrazyN8]

[ QUOTE ]
Bankroll. This Compaq 15" monitor is really really crappy. Its like 10 years old.

[/ QUOTE ]

I think that was a smart call. I waited until i had enough so that it wouldn't effect my play(psychological).



Wow, Rick just got shat on.

[Kashie]

your monitor isnt good!

sorry

[Jive Dadson]

If she will continue to bet as long as you don't raise her, then calling was right. It's just result-mongering to say Rick should have raised her off her two-outer.

[MaxPower]

Nice play Rick. Bart said you should have raised grace on the turn, but why would you want to stop her from bluffing with her 5s.

[someguy2]

Seat 4 = HUGE fish

[CrazyN8]

[ QUOTE ]
Nice play Rick. Bart said you should have raised grace on the turn, but why would you want to stop her from bluffing with her 5s.

[/ QUOTE ]

HAHA...bart just changed his song.

[Jive Dadson]

Hey guys, new hand!

[CrazyN8]

wow....she's catching some [censored] on the river.

[Jive Dadson]

It looks like calling the pre-flop action lasted all of one night.

[CrazyN8]

U think these guys are holding hands in the booth?

Sorry Bart, I couldn't resist.

Tell your buddy I'm mourning the SU loss, too. I had them winning it all in my bracket.

[Mikey]

Rick why didn't you reraise that clown with trip queens. I mean ahh????

[MaxPower]

Who is George?

[theredwave]

7 seat- posts as geormiet. He posts a lot at ITH, Link (http://www.internettexasholdem.com/~internet/phpbb2/live-at-the-bike-update-vt17072.html?highlight=)

[CrazyN8]

Again with the "Rick should have raised"....WHY? If he thinks she if bluffing, let her keep betting! Are we missing something here? Why would you want to get her out of the hand?

Rick could have played the 3 Qs a little better but hey, no one is perfect.

Wow, seat 4 is out of hand!

These guys are analyzing this hand like seat 4 is a poker genius or something....MANIAC, not genius.

[someguy2]

Seat 4 takes it down with 9-2s!

[Russ McGinley]

Seat 4 is either an absolute genius or a maniac psycho.

YOU DECIDE.

[MaxPower]

I think they are giving seat 4 a little too much credit. He's a donk.

[Russ McGinley]

[ QUOTE ]
These guys are analyzing this hand like seat 4 is a poker genius or something....MANIAC, not genius.

[/ QUOTE ]

Haha good edit /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[razor]

much like they were giving Stevie too much credit early on the other night.

seeing the player's hole cards, the booth guys should be able to figure out the Donks a bit quicker than they are.

[dbirider16]

hah. Playing 35 is an inside joke on ITH /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[thedrunk]

Normally the limit is displayed on screen or has been mentioned here. Is it 20/40 or 30/60 ?

(edit) Oh, well I can tell I suppose from the amount of chips. /images/graemlins/wink.gif (puts the bong down)

[rerazor]

Is seat 4 Steve all cleaned up?

[CrazyN8]

I do like that bart's buddy keeps saying that they are playing with "their money". AKA - let 'em play

[BBtunaBB]

I bet seat 7 gets all the chicks...what do you all think?

[CrazyN8]

[ QUOTE ]
I bet seat 7 gets all the chicks...what do you all think?

[/ QUOTE ]

Damn straight! Chics dig skinny dudes....trust me!

Don't believe me? Ask Rick!

[Jive Dadson]

I think it is pretty firmly established that that one announcer guy is not a big fan.

[Kashie]

anybody interested in the Boxing Match tonight between Morales and Pacquiao?

I have on ppv ill give updates if you want!

[Ole16]

[ QUOTE ]
I think it is pretty firmly established that that one announcer guy is not a big fan.

[/ QUOTE ]

Haha my thoughts exactly /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Kashie]

Re: we supposed to impressed with his ace high call??

Have a seat man lol
J/K

[thedrunk]

Hah! He raised you and you put him on a K, making calling to the river with ace-rag correct ?

Hmmmmmm..... interesting. I guess since you won the hand it was correct... heh.

Yeah I'm talkin to you Bart Jr. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Mikey]

i like the lead bet and I like the RERAISE!!

his opp. made a very good fold.

[BBtunaBB]

Thats a good idea! You should follow the players that step away from the table...they are probably on the phone talkin to their buddies watching the webcast to get info on the plays and players....

[Jive Dadson]

NEXT HAND GUYS!

[Russ McGinley]

Nice fold with KT! Hahaha

[CrazyN8]

I do like that the other guy is pushing the "gambling" aspect of poker. Let the fish know that it's okay. Good for you, buddy!

"any two cards"...."having fun"...."their money"...

This guy is great for the game

[Kashie]

Jive -heh remind them again>

Now that's 2or 3 times.

I agree

[BBtunaBB]

Can you explain why last night they were running the hands twice?? I heard something about a jackpot?? whats the deal here...

[Russ McGinley]

Yeah he's really hammering that point into the ground.

[touchfaith]

This guy needs a nickname...

How bout....Tuck the Muck /images/graemlins/grin.gif

PS....enough of the 55 hand, it was an hour ago /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[CrazyN8]

Sorry, Bart, we take up for Rick...especially since she is an over agressive bluffer. He probably should have raised though...we give, we give! I agree that you shouldn't slow play at lower limits and I'm starting to believe it at this limit. Wow, now I see how you guys are props at $20/40...this is only slightly better than the Party .5/1.

Call him Tucks? (http://shop.store.yahoo.com/buyinprivate/tucecsiz100p.html)

[MaxPower]

Yes Bart,

David said it but you agreed with him.

I still disagree with you guys.

[Jive Dadson]

I think they've lost me. After saying last night they were going to try to follow the action, tonight they are routinely talking all through the pre-flop about the last hand, or one that happened several hands ago. There was just now a HUGE pot, and they talked about a previous hand all the way through it. Do these guys really think their opinions are the selling point here? Live at the Bike is a great concept, so far as it goes, but a real producer needs to take control of it.

Over and out.

[Kashie]

yes it's hard to bluff in Limit or slow playing.

all depends if your tight. right.?

[BBtunaBB]

Dave "Mutha" Tucker

[Russ McGinley]

Okay, everyone vote on the following names for Dave:

1. Bart Jr.
2. Little Bart
3. Lisa (Bart's little sister)
4. That Other Guy
5. Not Denny
6. Mother Tucker

[CrazyN8]

ahhhhhh, [censored].....I vote for Lisa! /images/graemlins/grin.gif

$20/40, okay...live at the bike, okay....WHERE ARE YOU LOCATED?!?!?!?? Oh, no?!?!?!

[Mikey]

Hey Bart and Dave, can you give a shout out to Terry Milano!

[Kashie]

how about Friar Tuck?

[touchfaith]

Well...since it is pissing him off...I'll have to go with Bart Jr.

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[thedrunk]

Stickin' with Bart Jr.

[CrazyN8]

Incase you forgot Bart is from Boston - Drawrering? was that Drawing?

Wow, seat 4 has some sack but probably not much money.

[csuf_gambler]

the play is fuking horreundous here

[touchfaith]

"The earlybird special..." for the archives....

So that means the price is going up? Or does it come with a side of bacon? Either way....still a pass /images/graemlins/crazy.gif

[Mikey]

this guy is scary, i mean seriously, his hair, his glasses, his shirt,

I wouldn't want to draw out on him he looks like a serial killer.

[Russ McGinley]

[ QUOTE ]
the play is fuking horreundous here

[/ QUOTE ]

What are you talking about? Are you saying 96s isn't a capping hand? And do you dare say 93o in the SB is NOT a powerhouse?

BLASPHEMY!

[Shanemex]

Good turn cap with 94o.

Edit: Better call on the river.

Yes... seat 4 rebought.

[CrazyN8]

Bart: "This is real money!"

[Russ McGinley]

Seat 4 is clearly Steve's twin brother. But more psychotic.

[That guy]

Where is Ellix Powers? 'He called with 9 high'...

[Kashie]

well its his money !!? you think??
what a fool 4-9?????

This must be a puton by Bike

[Mikey]

you guys should page Mike l. to get into this game. have rick go get him. Page Terry Milano.

[CrazyN8]

Is seat 6 handicapped? Why the hell is seat 5 messing with his chips? Keep that pimp hand strong my man!

Edit: she's not bad looking but still!

[csuf_gambler]

i love that value CALL on the river with 9,4 off. the guy just rebought with another 2 dimes?

wow that was a good laydown with the 2,5 straight. i love it, chase a gutshot, then fold on river when you make it.

[razor]

See how they adjust?!?!?!

we're 1 hour in... any good player would have adjusted (even without seeing the hole cards) about 40-45 minutes ago.

[BBtunaBB]

wow

[CrazyN8]

WOW...what a catch on the river. She fishes some stuff down!

67 vs A7 ...... Q67KQ ..... poor guy! he was on a rush.

[Russ McGinley]

Rick has tightened up. He must be praying for any type of decent hand before seat 4 goes broke.

[MaxPower]

I like the fact that Rick is wearing a necktie.

You don't see that type of thing very often at the poker table.

[Russ McGinley]

Rick = Classy

[CrazyN8]

[ QUOTE ]
I like the fact that Rick is wearing a necktie.

You don't see that type of thing very often at the poker table.

[/ QUOTE ]

Rick is always the guy with the tie.

BART: that was funny. Rick is pissing his pants this game is so juicey!! He had to take a double take on that board.

[CrazyN8]

Haha...did that guy (seat 4) really check to make sure he...didn't have top pair? What was he looking for?

[Russ McGinley]

Likely because he forgot what his other card was. I'm beginning to think seat 4 is not very good.

[MaxPower]

[ QUOTE ]
Can you explain why last night they were running the hands twice?? I heard something about a jackpot?? whats the deal here...

[/ QUOTE ]

The thing about running it twice is that your Expected Value is the same, but your variance is less.

[csuf_gambler]

omg i can't fuking stand this anymore. look at all that cheese these retards are playing. it's just not fair /images/graemlins/frown.gif

i wish i was 21 so i could clean this sh1t up, fa real.

[CrazyN8]

Wow...we are graced by part of 'the crew'/images/graemlins/smirk.gif. Is he trying to make money so that Russ "Dutch" can play some tourneys?

[MaxPower]

Tuckman, you are nuts.

Rick played that whole AQ hand perfectly. The only think he could have done better was to check-raise the flop.

[CrazyN8]

[ QUOTE ]
Tuckman, you are nuts.

Rick played that whole AQ hand perfectly.

[/ QUOTE ]

Yeah, little Bart is so welcome in my game. If he's that tight you could run over him all night. Just stay away if he PFRs.

[thedrunk]

I have never wanted to be at the Live at the Bike table more so than tonight.

(edit) Of course, as usual I would be the guy who ends up playing back at Seat 4 when Seat 4 finally caught AA.

[thirddan]

i like how rick played it also, isolate the craazy guy and buy the button...i thought it was standard...

[razor]

agree

[arvin]

How Much is the rake on this game? Also, David Tuchman (no offense) sounds like Skippy from that one sitcom with Michael J. Fox as Alex P Keaton. Please don't take offense, but he just sounds like it.

[madk0w]

back to the future

hahahaha

[Shanemex]

Back to the Future.

Two nights in a row... you're too quick.

[ismisus]

now they're reciting Back to the Future

[Photoc]

Back To the Future !!!

[Photoc]

haha 4 posts at the same time, ironic that we all have the right answer!

[Photoc]

[ QUOTE ]
David Tuchman (no offense) sounds like Skippy from that one sitcom with Michael J. Fox as Alex P Keaton. Please don't take offense, but he just sounds like it.

[/ QUOTE ]

That would be Family Ties.

Woa, 2 Michael J. Fox references!

[thirddan]

oops, i guess i followed the action wrong, oh well...

but didn't rick raising face the guy w/ pocket 6's with calling two cold?

also, this guy seems to put a lot of stock in the monetary value of bets rather than it just being a bet...

[Mikey]

Seat 7 is a very good player. I wouldn't not want to be sitting at the table with 8 of him. I like his style.

[BBtunaBB]

The dealer gets at least one each hand as a tip...are these 20 dollar chips?? Dealer must make alot on tips at this table....oooh now i see they are 5 dollar chips

[CrazyN8]

[ QUOTE ]
...are these 20 dollar chips??

[/ QUOTE ]

$5 chips....

Are they talking about the set vs the runner runner flush from like a few months ago?

[MaxPower]

Yeah, but I still like it.

Tuchman says that seat 4 will call you down with 9 high, so why does he think that 3 betting AQ is so bad? AQ is likely the best hand and has a big equity edge against what these guys are playing. If he can get it heads up with seat 4, he can go to the showdown unimproved.

[Mikey]

yellow chips are $5.

The Borgata has $20 yellow chips.

[arvin]

Seat 7 is dangerous
Seat 4 is a fish

[Russ McGinley]

If we were going to designate a new class of player that is even worse than a fish (bait?), seat 4 would be it.

[The Truth]

how do you guys play those fives vs kings, if you got the fives?

[Russ McGinley]

Fold the flop. I would be absolutely terrified by an extremely tight player reraising.

[The Truth]

seat 1 is solid

and i like the 4 bet with the tens

[Russ McGinley]

Yes, seat 1 is Rick Nebiolo who posts here and is very very tight. The guy with 55 raised, then Rick reraised. I call at this point hoping for a 5 and anything else I'm going away.

[CrazyN8]

Baby Bart is bashing Rick but seat 4 is capping with 94off NO PAIR.

How are you going to put this guy on AJ when there are 2 Js on the board and you have 10s?

Pocket 10s will have this guy beat about 30 out of 35 times

[MaxPower]

I hate to keep defending Rick, but I think he played the pocket tens fine. You just can't lay down against seat 4. The pre-flop cap is debatable, but pocket tens could be way ahead.

[The Truth]

I should have known seat one was a 2+2er, he plays goot

[Photoc]

10 6 offsuit on the button. Where did he learn that one? lol

[MaxPower]

Highland Park High School in suburban Chicago in The Breakfast Club. The only reason I know that is that I have a friend who went there.

[arvin]

Any plans for Live at the Bike covering other games like Omaha or Omaha 8/b or 7 Stud Hi Lo, or Pineapple or 2-7 triple draw, etc? just curious.

[Russ McGinley]

What happened? I was busy watching the Wake-WVA game (unbelievable block with 2 seconds left to save the game, double OT!).

[OrangeCat]

Grant High in SFV.

[The Truth]

[ QUOTE ]
What happened? I was busy watching the Wake-WVA game (unbelievable block with 2 seconds left to save the game, double OT!).

[/ QUOTE ]

great game

[razor]

sometimes you just have to go to the river with your decent hands against these players and hope it all works out... sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes you get lucky...

[Shanemex]

Google says Shermer High School, but I didn't bother to read the context so it may be the wrong thing.

[MaxPower]

[ QUOTE ]
Highland Park High School in suburban Chicago in The Breakfast Club. The only reason I know that is that I have a friend who went there.

[/ QUOTE ]

I don't know the name of the school actually, but I know it was in Suburban Chicago.

[Photoc]

[ QUOTE ]
Grant High in SFV.

[/ QUOTE ]

I have absolutely no idea what that means. I can only assume that SFV is maybe San Fernando valley? Thats the only thing that comes to mind. I dont know Cali at all.

[thedrunk]

How nice, they give a trivia question and leave for 30 minutes. Hah !

[OrangeCat]

Seat 4 is not the best player but he sure is catching cards.

[CrazyN8]

This dealer really is the best. He announces players, bets, the action....really good!

[arvin]

Seat 4 thinks he's awesome cuz he dragged down a pot with a flush. I'm sure the other players are still salivating.

[thedrunk]

Heh, did you miss the early part of the broadcast where Seat 4 blew his first buyin in about 5 minutes ?

[Photoc]

I do the same thing in the box. I like to make sure everyone knows what is going on at all times.

[thirddan]

yeah, i think rick played it fine still too...

this guy seems somewhat results oriented...most of us here play that same hand thousands of times a week and it is profitable against that kind of opponent, and its a huge coup if rick can get the pocket 66's to lay down...

also, the stuff about not raising AK/AQ/AA from the blinds cuz he doesn't like pushing small edges? hmmmm....

[CrazyN8]

I'll take some of what she's serving!

[OrangeCat]

Yeah. My wild ass guess at trivia question.

[Kashie]

It May be Harding High School. Mallory and Alex Keaton went to!

Just a guess>

[Kevmath]

Those games don't work to well, since the cameras only are good for two cards, they tried to do it during their first high limit game, and it was a bust.

Kevin...

[thirddan]

again, i agree, i think rick played it perfectly...the announcer is being somewhat results oriented...capping preflop in position against a LAG opponent is +EV...there is no reason for rick to assume that seat 4 has two overs including a J, he could easily have a smaller pair or one overcard...postflop play was also fine...rick can't get rid of that against that opponent once the J pairs...

[theredwave]

Taken from google:
It was actually filmed at Illinois State Police Station (Formerly Maine North High School) in Des Plaines, Illinois.

[yellowjack]

I turned it off, is Seat 7 that asian looking fellow wiht glasses?

[TinCup]

[ QUOTE ]
This dealer really is the best. He announces players, bets, the action....really good!

[/ QUOTE ]
I agree. Put him in the booth and stop the babble from 13 hands ago.

[yellowjack]

lol, definitely agreed. he thinks he as good as anyone because he can catch some cards and win pots by betting with predictable hands.

[arvin]

Seat 4 vs Seat 7, both with Diamond draws. I hope the river came diamond so Seat 7 could spank his ass. but Seat 4's higher pair won /images/graemlins/frown.gif

[OrangeCat]

Sometimes that happens when against a guy who plays trash. You want to make them pay but sometimes they catch. At least Rick is not going on tilt. Lots of guys do after hands like that.

Overall, I like Rick's play.

[thedrunk]

Seat 6 is furious. Why did he check-call to the river and fold there ? The straight possibility I guess ?

[CrazyN8]

okay...that was a bad call...he bet w/ KJ board J4Qxx and got raised...dude overcalled and then Rick called.

They did get the guy w/ the Q2 to fold so I guess it worked out.

[arvin]

OMFG, I can't believe Seat 6 mucked the best hand (top pair of Q's with a crap kicker). the other players had 2nd pair J's with K kicker. Seat 6 made a really big mistake there. He could have just called one more bet on the river.

[OrangeCat]

OMG! Seat 6 laid down Q's!

[MaxPower]

Wow! I can't believe seat 6 layed down top pair.

[CrazyN8]

I'm still not following how Ricks playing the 10s against seat 4 was bad....dude just raised w/K3o on a Jc4h3h flop...he hit his K unfortunately cause it was a heart....WOW 3 on the river. AMAZING!

[Russ McGinley]

And seat 4 catches runner-runner full house to beat two flushes. Awesome!

[touchfaith]

Yeah, the dealers look like they make a fair amount of coin.

Hmmm, make money while having fun and learning your future opponents...Sounds like a pretty good gig to me.

Someone hook me up! I'm way better looking then all these chumps and plus...I'm a real people person damnit! /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[cwsiggy]

nh!!!

[CrazyN8]

Dammit Bart, Jr. I couldn't hear seat 5 bitch about losing to seat 4 just then.

[OrangeCat]

This is unbearable. Fish catches the fishermen again.

[arvin]

Does seat 4 play every hand? I just can't respect his play. I want to see him lose his F***G ass!!!!!

[Michael Davis]

The commentary on the pocket tens hand was a complete joke.

-Michael

[Russ McGinley]

[ QUOTE ]
Does seat 4 play every hand? I just can't respect his play. I want to see him lose his F***G ass!!!!!

[/ QUOTE ]

PT says his VPIP is 93. NOT EVERY HAND SO GIVE HIM A BREAK!!!!!1111

[cwsiggy]

Oh no! A crew member is at the table!!

[thirddan]

i guess rick put seat 6 on a flush draw, he bet the flop then check/called 2 cold on the turn...

i think maybe checking the river is better and seeing if seat 6 calls seat 4's bet, if 6 folds then rick should call...but i think that if rick bets and seat 6 calls he will usually be beaten...

[Russ McGinley]

[ QUOTE ]
Oh no! A crew member is at the table!!

[/ QUOTE ]

Yeah, Little Dutch Boyd bungled the fu<font color="black"></font>ck outta that hand.

[CrazyN8]

BART: Fischman also writes for cardplayer - pretty good.

I have more respect for him now than I did after he won his first WSOP bracelet which was a joke. He fished some [censored] down in that one.

[CrazyN8]

She was due to catch that.

She did the same thing against seat 6 when EVERYONE knew that he had a hand (67 vs A7 on a Q67 flop). She didn't even have top pr on that hand

[OrangeCat]

Didn't seat 2 have about $300 ten minutes ago?

[Russ McGinley]

Outflopped with AJ and rivered by the calling station. Gotta love it.

[CrazyN8]

Denny has yet to tell us what we are watching and where they are.

You think I can fill an entire page with dancing meatwads? He gets the honeys, see.

Okay, seat 9s chips are AWESOME! I'm so doing that next time I'm at the casino....okay, maybe not but it looks cool.

[Russ McGinley]

Did everyone go to bed or did this game just slow down to a crawl?

[cwsiggy]

Gank - It's a good thing you are no longer in the crew. Yikes - what a dork.

[CrazyN8]

[ QUOTE ]
Did everyone go to bed or did this game just slow down to a crawl?

[/ QUOTE ]

Yeah...the fish stopped biting.

Bart: The Simpson's comment moved you up a notch in my book.

[MaxPower]

Denny, isn't it about time you made your comments about how the Live at the Bike archive is cheaper than Porn?

Bart, nice Simpsons reference.

[Russ McGinley]

Ouch! The Crew got taken down by the bait!

[Kashie]

poker is great but you should have seen the Boxing match too!

And the winner is for those interested was Morales!
115-113 by 3 judges

[Russ McGinley]

[ QUOTE ]
poker is great but you should have seen the Boxing match too!

And the winner is for those interested was Morales!

[/ QUOTE ]

Whatever happened to Prince Naseem Hamed? Did he fall off the face of the earth?

[CrazyN8]

BART: can we get a chip count?

[Kashie]

he;s retired Russ.

what a great Fight

[ismisus]

How much is Seat 4 up for tonight?

[Russ McGinley]

[ QUOTE ]
he;s retired Russ.

what a great Fight

[/ QUOTE ]

Too bad. He was funny to watch.

[CrazyN8]

[ QUOTE ]
How much is Seat 4 up for tonight?

[/ QUOTE ]

He busted earlier....bought back in for 2 racks.

[37offsuit]

Heh, racism is funny when you're talking about those of Asian or Spanish decent.

[Russ McGinley]

Looks like seat 4 has about 4 racks so I'd say he's about even, which is amazing considering how he was playing earlier.

[CrazyN8]

[ QUOTE ]
Heh, racism is funny when you're talking about those of Asian or Spanish decent.

[/ QUOTE ]

That might fly around here (I'm in Alabama) but I can't imagine that going in LA (not lower alabama - Los Angeles)

[Kashie]

hmm I didn't hear any racism.
They were just talking about the fight on the poker table, the girl said the mexican won.

The girl said this.

[CrazyN8]

no..Denny said something about Mexicans and Asian or what not all pretty much being the same/looking alike/half-mexican

[thirddan]

that guy in 7 played his KK well on the AA4 board...

[Kashie]

Hey guys how about a "Live at the Bike Magazine"!

heh!

[thirddan]

sorry rick, that was awful river bet...especially against those two...

[CrazyN8]

Bart: we agree with you on that one. He tried to make a play in a game of no-fold'em.

[Russ McGinley]

Gotta agree with Bart on this play. You can't bluff bad players. Seat 4 has already called with 9-high, no way is he folding if he has any pair. Same with seat 6 who just paid off whatshisname in seat 7.

[AAmaz0n]

Denny keeps making comments about these posts.... I guess he is reading this.

Hi Denny! I miss you; I'll try to come down soon. Say hi to Lupe for me tomorrow, I can't make the LIPS event.

Shauna
the AAmaz0n

[MaxPower]

I agree Bart, that was a terrible bluff by Rick.

[Sykes]

Seat 9 is incredibly weak-tight if he would have folded on the river if it didn't come King/Diamond

[OrangeCat]

Bart is right. Absolutely no way are those guys folding. Bad play by Rick. If this was NL and he bet the pot, that might work but not here for one BB.

In many ways this is not much different from the lower limit games.

[razor]

I tend to agree, but 6 did fold top pair earlier when Rick bet the river with middle pair.

I think Rick should have bet his flush &amp; straight draw on the turn.

[CrazyN8]

What kind of cards are they using? KEM? What did he say...$16 for 2 packs? Don't they sell the used cards like vegas, tunica...etc.?

[razor]

[ QUOTE ]
What kind of cards are they using? KEM? What did he say...$16 for 2 packs? Don't they sell the used cards like vegas, tunica...etc.?

[/ QUOTE ]

those used cards aren't used at poker tables.

[AAmaz0n]

wow, it's just like Party; fool calls gutshot with inadequate pot odds and makes it. arg. sometimes I just hate this game.

Shauna

[CrazyN8]

[ QUOTE ]
those used cards aren't used at poker tables.

[/ QUOTE ]

I don't remember anything special about the cards in Tunica or Choctaw...seemed to be the same as the BJ table. What is different about the poker table cards?

[einbert]

I didn't realize how horrible the crew was. Button coldcall of tight player (hell any player) with QT is not a valuable play.

The flop bet with AK was for value on a flop of 344, mr. weak-tighty. He has to protect his hand, he made money when the gutshot called.

[thirddan]

rick AK: with that ragged paired board 2 overs + gutshot i would bet the turn and then check river if unimproved, i don't see a reason to give someone with 6 outs a free card to beat me when they will fold to a bet...

[razor]

[ QUOTE ]
I don't remember anything special about the cards in Tunica or Choctaw...seemed to be the same as the BJ table. What is different about the poker table cards?

[/ QUOTE ]

haven't played in Tunica or Choctaw so maybe they do use crap cards at the poker table, but everywhere i've played has used plastic cards.

[OrangeCat]

Anybody else want to drive over to the Bike right now and try to get into this game?

[AAmaz0n]

K5o in early position? I should hit the ATM and get a ride to this game right now.

Shauna

[CrazyN8]

[ QUOTE ]
haven't played in Tunica or Choctaw so maybe they do use crap cards at the poker table, but everywhere i've played has used plastic cards.

[/ QUOTE ]

Choctaw in a word.....crap. The players are worse than anything you've ever seen on LaTB. If it wasn't in the middle of BumF#$% Mississippi I would go there more.

[Russ McGinley]

Pick me up?

[AAmaz0n]

I am so there; silly me I thought I wasn't g00t enough for this game. UGH. I need to play more live.

Shauna

[CrazyN8]

[ QUOTE ]
K5o in early position? I should hit the ATM and get a ride to this game right now.

Shauna

[/ QUOTE ]

If I wasn't 2,035 miles away I would so stop and get you. This game makes me horny....well, it gets me excited.

[AAmaz0n]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
K5o in early position? I should hit the ATM and get a ride to this game right now.

Shauna

[/ QUOTE ]

If I wasn't 2,035 miles away I would so stop and get you. This game makes me horny....well, it gets me excited.

[/ QUOTE ]

I know that I'm getting wet. /images/graemlins/blush.gif

Shauna

[Russ McGinley]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
K5o in early position? I should hit the ATM and get a ride to this game right now.

Shauna

[/ QUOTE ]

If I wasn't 2,035 miles away I would so stop and get you. This game makes me horny....well, it gets me excited.

[/ QUOTE ]

I know that I'm getting wet. /images/graemlins/blush.gif

Shauna

[/ QUOTE ]

Post of the thread. And its not close.

[Shanemex]

The crew guy went broke. How sad.

[CrazyN8]

Wow..that guy has givin' some chips away. I don't think Russ Boyd is going to be happy.

Is it sad that that makes me happy? /images/graemlins/grin.gif

Nice of seat 4 to suck out on him after making the horrible 3 bet!

[Piers]

[ QUOTE ]
rick AK: with that ragged paired board 2 overs + gutshot i would bet the turn and then check river if unimproved, i don't see a reason to give someone with 6 outs a free card to beat me when they will fold to a bet...

[/ QUOTE ]

Yes, if they are "Calling on any two" as Bart says, then betting AK has to count as a value bet.

[Shanemex]

Your schadenfreude disgusts me /images/graemlins/mad.gif. I was seriously empathizing with the tough luck he had.






















/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[CrazyN8]

[ QUOTE ]
Your schadenfreude disgusts me /images/graemlins/mad.gif. I was seriously empathizing with the tough luck he had. /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

I assume you are kidding (going by the /images/graemlins/laugh.gif). Calling a raise from one of the tightest players at the table with Q-10 is not 'tough luck'. I wouldn't even play that unraised from up front.

Anyway, his associating with Russ Boyd is reason enough to cheer against this kid. Don't take my word for it, search the threads here and see what others have to say about him (clue: try pokerspot for starters).

Russ may no longer be in the crew, so who knows.

[geormiet]

[ QUOTE ]
this guy is scary, i mean seriously, his hair, his glasses, his shirt,

I wouldn't want to draw out on him he looks like a serial killer.

[/ QUOTE ]

I have honestly never gotten this before. Are you referring to me? (seat 7)


Thanks for the compliments on my play. I felt kinda stupid overplaying that A2s vs. seat 4, as well as the A4o against the asian lady.

[Sparks]

Was that a 20 game we were in? Other than you and Rick (and maybe Grace I guess) it was like a table of retards.

In Seat 4's defense on the 9-4 hand, he played the entire hand without looking at his cards. True. I mean, what can you even say to that. I think it's the dumbest thing I've ever witnessed.

Sparks

[Michael Davis]

"In Seat 4's defense on the 9-4 hand, he played the entire hand without looking at his cards."

That's awesome.

-Michael

[geormiet]

sparks - who were you?

[Rick Nebiolo]

[ QUOTE ]
Nice play Rick. Bart said you should have raised grace on the turn, but why would you want to stop her from bluffing with her 5s.

[/ QUOTE ]

If seat 6 hadn't cold called "Action Grace's" flop checkraise I'd put in three bets on the flop with second pair (JTo). I've played with her enough not to take her flop action seriously /images/graemlins/grin.gif

On the turn I believe the board was AT7Q of rainbow (if it went two-suited it went suited on the turn). With Grace betting again and seat six calling I decided I probably am behind but have enough outs to stay with the hand so I just called.

~ Rick

[Rick Nebiolo]

[ QUOTE ]
Rick why didn't you reraise that clown with trip queens. I mean ahh????

[/ QUOTE ]

On this hand I opened raised from the middle a little light with QJo. Seat 4 calls on or near button. Flop was K-J-x. I bet, he called. Turn was an offsuit jack (I think). I bet, he raises. I thought about three betting but at this point I wasn't quite clued in to his aggression level (I thought he very well might have either nothing (in which case he folds to a reraise) or perhaps a better jack. River came a blank and I was surprised it went check check (I expected him to bet).

In retrospect I should have gone upstairs again on the turn. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

~ Rick

[theredwave]

Replace the Jacks with Queens and you have the hand right. I'm sure you were going for the check-raise on the river but for some reason seat 4 slowed down. I think that judging by the way he played the rest of the night you could have raised the turn and he would've called down. Of course this was early on and you didn't have this read yet, and you can't see all of the hands he plays like we can /images/graemlins/smile.gif.

[Rick Nebiolo]

[ QUOTE ]
Tuckman, you are nuts.

Rick played that whole AQ hand perfectly. The only think he could have done better was to check-raise the flop.

[/ QUOTE ]

This must have been the hand where I waited until the turn to checkraise a near certain bet from seat four with top pair, top kicker and a scary queen high board. Seat two was also in the hand.

At one point I folded AQ BTF (I held it over the hole cams but I'm not sure it went up on your screens) when George (the 2+2 poster who hadn't played a hand it what seemed like an hour) open raised UTG. With the crazy action behind me I didn't like the idea of cold calling a very solid early raiser.

~ Rick

[Rick Nebiolo]

[ QUOTE ]
Baby Bart is bashing Rick but seat 4 is capping with 94off NO PAIR.

How are you going to put this guy on AJ when there are 2 Js on the board and you have 10s?

Pocket 10s will have this guy beat about 30 out of 35 times

[/ QUOTE ]

By this hand I believe I was clued in to seat 4's aggression level. I'm surprised I didn't put in more action but I think I had a little bit of a bad feeling during the hand.

What did Baby Bart (aka Dave Tuchman) think I should do there (I had TT board was Jxx, J on turn, I think blank on river).

~ Rick

[Rick Nebiolo]

[ QUOTE ]
Replace the Jacks with Queens and you have the hand right. I'm sure you were going for the check-raise on the river but for some reason seat 4 slowed down. I think that judging by the way he played the rest of the night you could have raised the turn and he would've called down. Of course this was early on and you didn't have this read yet, and you can't see all of the hands he plays like we can /images/graemlins/smile.gif.

[/ QUOTE ]

It's so late my note card was blurry. You have the hand and my thoughts nailed.

~ Rick

[Rick Nebiolo]

[ QUOTE ]
Seat 7 is a very good player. I wouldn't not want to be sitting at the table with 8 of him. I like his style.

[/ QUOTE ]

I gave him lots of respect since he posts on 2+2 under "geormlet" (I read a bunch of them yesterday and can tell he is very bright), and he just has the look of a tough player.

Mentioned elsewhere but he open raised UTG and I folded AQo from seat 1. To me a routine fold against that opponent (most of the rest of the table gets three bet) but sort of my Feeny "AQ" test for the night /images/graemlins/grin.gif

~ Rick

[Michael Davis]

"Mentioned elsewhere but he open raised UTG and I folded AQo from seat 1. To me a routine fold against that opponent (most of the rest of the table gets three bet) but sort of my Feeny "AQ" test for the night"

Do the coldcallers make it closer to a call or a more clearcut fold? I think call because the punishment of domination isn't as severe, but you still have that whole silly reverse implied odds crap to deal with.

-Michael

[Rick Nebiolo]

[ QUOTE ]
Gotta agree with Bart on this play. You can't bluff bad players. Seat 4 has already called with 9-high, no way is he folding if he has any pair. Same with seat 6 who just paid off whatshisname in seat 7.

[/ QUOTE ]

This hand I called on the button with 6h 5h. Flop comes 7-4-? two in my suit. Seat four bets out, Grace raises in seat five, seat six calls, I three bet with the big draw. All three opponents call. When the turn is checked to me I take my free card and was concerned at this point that Grace was on a bigger heart draw (she easily raises with flush overcards on the flop).

The river pairs the four and it is checked to me again. At this point the pot had about nine big bets in it. Grace had a "missed my draw" tell and I thought one of my other two opponents also missed some sort of draw. My bluff only has to work one in ten times to at least break even and I thought I had it here, especially with my image.

~ Rick

[Rick Nebiolo]

[ QUOTE ]
I tend to agree, but 6 did fold top pair earlier when Rick bet the river with middle pair.

I think Rick should have bet his flush &amp; straight draw on the turn.

[/ QUOTE ]

If I didn't think Grace had a bigger flush draw I very well might have. With fifteen outs, getting three calls is +EV.

~ Rick

[Rick Nebiolo]

[ QUOTE ]
"Mentioned elsewhere but he open raised UTG and I folded AQo from seat 1. To me a routine fold against that opponent (most of the rest of the table gets three bet) but sort of my Feeny "AQ" test for the night"

Do the coldcallers make it closer to a call or a more clearcut fold? I think call because the punishment of domination isn't as severe, but you still have that whole silly reverse implied odds crap to deal with.

-Michael

[/ QUOTE ]

They were also doing a lot of crazy capping at this point. I share plenty of equity if George has a hand such as JJ or TT but I couldn't imagine him open raising UTG with a worse ace into this crowd. I felt trapped in between a tough player and loose or loose-aggros acting after me (seat two, four, and five).

~ Rick

[Michael Davis]

Yeah, I wasn't suggesting that you call, just that sometimes you might call with a bunch of coldcallers when you would have folded if it was only a solid UTG raiser.

-Michael

[Rick Nebiolo]

[ QUOTE ]
sparks - who were you?

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm going to guess seat three.

~ Rick

[Rick Nebiolo]

[ QUOTE ]
Yeah, I wasn't suggesting that you call, just that sometimes you might call with a bunch of coldcallers when you would have folded if it was only a solid UTG raiser. - -Michael

[/ QUOTE ]

Why are you up so late? I'm going to bed in about five minutes and at least I have an excuse.

~ Rick

[Michael Davis]

Because I have a major paper due on Monday morning.

-Michael

[Rick Nebiolo]

I stayed late to play in the game and moved to seat seven. Seat four tightened up quite a bit but it was still a very good game.

There were a few hands in small pots I was able to run successful bluffs or sem-bluffs on (I think in all cases seat four was out). Anyway, I was surprised not to see them up here. Maybe my hand didn't show well on the hole card cams.

Tired now. Good night /images/graemlins/smile.gif

~ Rick

[kbfc]

Hey, I haven't seen the video and heard the commentary, so I'm not sure exactly what's going on, but it appears to me some people think I was in the "Crew". I was the jackass in seat 9, then 8, who tilted off his last chips over the last 30 minutes or so.

I have some comments, although it's hard to be specific since some of the posts are vague:

- KJ vs rick and seat 4. I believe I openedraised from fairly late position, Rick 3 bet behind me, seat 4 capped (as in, he had 2 cards). I don't think calling here is a mistake, as i would certainly call 1 more back to me and the cap from seat 4 was meaningless.

Flop was J-high, uncoordinated. I bet out, rick raised, seat 4 3-bet, and I capped. This folded Rick, which was the main goal, since I figured I was probably way ahead of seat 4, and Rick either had me beat or had some good live cards in what was now a pretty huge pot. So seat 4 trips up on the turn and I lose.....what are you gonna do?

- I had 2 or 3 hands where I was in steal position against rick and seat 2's blinds, where I tried to bully seat 2 out of the pot with trash.....how was I supposed to know he flopped a straight and 2pair on me?

- the one hand I think I got overzealous with (before the last 30 minutes where I was steaming) was when I had QQ vs i think 56 and 56. I should have just folded when seat 6 bet into me on the turn....with the Qc, I think my play is correct, but not with Qs....maybe not....

- KJ vs seat 4's AJ when river puts 2 Js on board.....what the hell am I supposed to do? I beat about 90% of the hands he plays that way. He couldn't be full there....he would have raised the turn with 2pair or a set 100% of the time.

Anyway, the story ends well....for me at least. After the cameras turned off, the game kept going, with a few seat changes. Seat 7 (good player, nice guy) left, and Rick took his seat, gaining the best position at the table(I would have if I was paying attention).

I left at about 2:30am after taking back about 3 racks from seat 4. The last hand I won a huge pot with AdQd where I made the nut flush and seat 4 had some raggedy 2 pair or something. Shortly before that, I had won a big pot off him with the nut straight. Someone, maybe me, commented that my hand was the absolute nuts for the board (as it was), and he made some meanspirited comment about how it was "barely the nuts" (as opposed to his top pair?). I replied, "yeah, like being barely pregnant." He was at this point down to 1200 in chips (from a max of about 2500), and in a real jackass sorta way challenged me to highcard for his last 1200. I replied, "sorry, I don't like gambling." I could have done better. I should have offered to high card him with 2:1 odds. I think he would have taken it, too. So he goes into some big tirade about how I only play the nuts (wtf?), and I've never seen that much money in my life, and his son has a hat like mine. Classy. In the end, I racked up with a 500 dollar profit for the night. Not bad considering I went through almost 3 racks on camera.

-Keith

ps: nice meeting you, Rick. You seem like a really great guy. I'm sure we'll play again soon.

[kbfc]

Rick, check out my post here (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=&amp;Number=1967315&amp;page=0&amp;view=c ollapsed&amp;sb=5&amp;o=14&amp;vc=1). The game broke about an hour after you left under fairly amusing circumstances.

-Keith

[kbfc]

[ QUOTE ]
Thats a good idea! You should follow the players that step away from the table...they are probably on the phone talkin to their buddies watching the webcast to get info on the plays and players....

[/ QUOTE ]

"Probably" is a bit of an understatement.

[Rick Nebiolo]

[ QUOTE ]
Hey, I haven't seen the video and heard the commentary, so I'm not sure exactly what's going on, but it appears to me some people think I was in the "Crew". I was the jackass in seat 9, then 8, who tilted off his last chips over the last 30 minutes or so.

I have some comments, although it's hard to be specific since some of the posts are vague:

- KJ vs rick and seat 4. I believe I openedraised from fairly late position, Rick 3 bet behind me, seat 4 capped (as in, he had 2 cards). I don't think calling here is a mistake, as i would certainly call 1 more back to me and the cap from seat 4 was meaningless.

Flop was J-high, uncoordinated. I bet out, rick raised, seat 4 3-bet, and I capped. This folded Rick, which was the main goal, since I figured I was probably way ahead of seat 4, and Rick either had me beat or had some good live cards in what was now a pretty huge pot.

[/ QUOTE ]

I had AK so at this point it seemed like an easy fold.

[ QUOTE ]
So seat 4 trips up on the turn and I lose.....what are you gonna do?

[/ QUOTE ]

Be 'tiltless" like Tommy Angelo.

[ QUOTE ]
"I left at about 2:30am after taking back about 3 racks from seat 4. The last hand I won a huge pot with AdQd where I made the nut flush and seat 4 had some raggedy 2 pair or something. Shortly before that, I had won a big pot off him with the nut straight. Someone, maybe me, commented that my hand was the absolute nuts for the board (as it was), and he made some meanspirited comment about how it was "barely the nuts" (as opposed to his top pair?). I replied, "yeah, like being barely pregnant."

[/ QUOTE ]

Let's say I have a double gut shot and make it. Someone comments that I was lucky to hit my gutshot (they obviously didn't see the double gutter). Best policy is to shrug - if they think you play worse than you do that's good for you and the game. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[ QUOTE ]
He was at this point down to 1200 in chips (from a max of about 2500), and in a real jackass sorta way challenged me to highcard for his last 1200. I replied, "sorry, I don't like gambling."

[/ QUOTE ]

ack!!! Never say this in a casino unless you are talking to a close friend and nobody can hear you!

[ QUOTE ]
ps: nice meeting you, Rick. You seem like a really great guy. I'm sure we'll play again soon.

[/ QUOTE ]

Thanks. It was nice playing you and you are right, seat seven was the place to play. I sort of had you pegged as a tough player once you sat down - something about surfing 2+2 gives a player a certain "hard to describe" look.

~ Rick

[kbfc]

[ QUOTE ]
I assume you are kidding (going by the ). Calling a raise from one of the tightest players at the table with Q-10 is not 'tough luck'. I wouldn't even play that unraised from up front.

Anyway, his associating with Russ Boyd is reason enough to cheer against this kid. Don't take my word for it, search the threads here and see what others have to say about him (clue: try pokerspot for starters).

Russ may no longer be in the crew, so who knows.

[/ QUOTE ]

Care to fill me in on all this crew stuff? I can only assume you're talking about me, and I don't know what the commentators were saying, but I've never met a crew member in my life (I lie....a year or so ago I made a final table on a pokerstars multi with gank...).

I'm not trying to get all overdefensive or anything. I figured I'd get reamed on here, due to the last half hour alone. I lost 2 racks on tilt after getting pretty much crapped on by the deck for 3 hours. I don't remember specifically calling a tight raiser with QT, but I might have, especially if I had position, it was suited, and it looked like the whole table was coming along for the ride. Or I could have just been steaming.....

Anyway, I'm sure it looks real bad doing stuff like raising the turn with J-high, when you can see all the cards and know he flopped a straight.

-Keith

ps: I know this came out sounding all whiny and defensive. I promise that's not the way I feel.....I definitely deserved to be roasted for a good number of plays (the KJ vs seat 4 and rick doesn't count....I'm very happy with how I played that one). I'm just a bit confused by all this animosity due to some supposed crew affiliation

[BarronVangorToth]

Sounds like it was a good show last night, with your hosts Bart, Denny, and not-Bart. I really should get the subscription so I can watch those episodes I don't see (which is a majority of them).

If I knew Bart was getting a cut of the action, I'd be happier about ponying up $14.95 for their webcasts - he definitely deserves more than he gets, but I can't do it for the fear that Denny might make some of that money too. I am indifferent as to whether not-Bart does or doesn't get additional funds.

As to the games themselves and the action that took place, I think many people on this board would do well to play some live events whenever they can as, while I might not know the specifics, live play is VERY loose and VERY different from what you're used to online.

Barron Vangor Toth
www.BarronVangorToth.com (http://www.BarronVangorToth.com)

[razor]

[ QUOTE ]
If I didn't think Grace had a bigger flush draw I very well might have. With fifteen outs, getting three calls is +EV.

[/ QUOTE ]

Fair enough, getting to see all the hands is no doubt skewing my thinking.

On the other hand, wouldn't Grace raise in this spot with more hands than flush overcards? Perhaps not a wide enough range to justify a value bet.

[JustASpectator]

Any chance that the quality of play is an example of the Hawthorne Effect?

"Individual behaviors may be altered because they know they are being studied."

[BarronVangorToth]

[ QUOTE ]
Any chance that the quality of play is an example of the Hawthorne Effect?

"Individual behaviors may be altered because they know they are being studied."

[/ QUOTE ]


While not the person you asked, I'd have to say no -- if anything, it should make them play BETTER than when there are no cameras, given the natural desire by some to want to look somewhat savvy.

Barron Vangor Toth
www.BarronVangorToth.com (http://www.BarronVangorToth.com)
Hey, Bart, when you read this, if I just paid you $15 per month, could you hook me up with a free account -- I have to be sure Denny gets none of the money, and you always can use more, I'm sure, C&amp;W money.

[Sparks]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
sparks - who were you?

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm going to guess seat three.

~ Rick

[/ QUOTE ]

Yep, seat three.

Sparks

[MaxPower]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Tuckman, you are nuts.

Rick played that whole AQ hand perfectly. The only think he could have done better was to check-raise the flop.

[/ QUOTE ]

This must have been the hand where I waited until the turn to checkraise a near certain bet from seat four with top pair, top kicker and a scary queen high board. Seat two was also in the hand.

At one point I folded AQ BTF (I held it over the hole cams but I'm not sure it went up on your screens) when George (the 2+2 poster who hadn't played a hand it what seemed like an hour) open raised UTG. With the crazy action behind me I didn't like the idea of cold calling a very solid early raiser.

~ Rick

[/ QUOTE ]

When you folded the AQ to Georges' raise, Bart and Rick complemented you.

The other AQ hand you were in the small blind I think and you 3-bet the 4 seat. They didn't like the 3-bet, but I did. I take AQ to the river unimproved against that guy.

[CrazyN8]

[ QUOTE ]
Care to fill me in on all this crew stuff? I can only assume you're talking about me, and I don't know what the commentators were saying...

[/ QUOTE ]

That sucks then. They said (announcers) you were part of the Crew.

[ QUOTE ]
I'm not trying to get all overdefensive or anything. I figured I'd get reamed on here, due to the last half hour alone. I lost 2 racks on tilt after getting pretty much crapped on by the deck for 3 hours. I don't remember specifically calling a tight raiser with QT, but I might have, especially if I had position, it was suited, and it looked like the whole table was coming along for the ride. Or I could have just been steaming.....

[/ QUOTE ]

I think you must have been steaming - it wasn't suited and Rick was the raiser. You did have position. I think 4 was the only other caller. You didn't fall in love with it so that was the upside.

[ QUOTE ]
Anyway, I'm sure it looks real bad doing stuff like raising the turn with J-high, when you can see all the cards and know he flopped a straight.

[/ QUOTE ]

don't remember that hand....sorry


[ QUOTE ]
ps: I know this came out sounding all whiny and defensive. I promise that's not the way I feel.....I definitely deserved to be roasted for a good number of plays (the KJ vs seat 4 and rick doesn't count....I'm very happy with how I played that one). I'm just a bit confused by all this animosity due to some supposed crew affiliation

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm not sure anyone got onto you for the KJ play. You made the right move. That was the one were 4 capped it and then caught the miracle on the turn (set)? The Qs was a crappy break but that happens. Good to hear you ended up on the evening and that seat 4 liked your hat /images/graemlins/grin.gif Sorry for the mix up about being in the crew.

[Rick Nebiolo]

[ QUOTE ]
When you folded the AQ to Georges' raise, Bart and Rick complemented you.

The other AQ hand you were in the small blind I think and you 3-bet the 4 seat. They didn't like the 3-bet, but I did. I take AQ to the river unimproved against that guy.

[/ QUOTE ]

I think seat two and seat three limped this hand and I hoped to get it head up or three way (if memory serves, seat 3 did fold). Yeah, against a seat 4 type I'm usually going to the river with ace high unimproved.

~ Rick

[Rick Nebiolo]

[ QUOTE ]
As to the games themselves and the action that took place, I think many people on this board would do well to play some live events whenever they can as, while I might not know the specifics, live play is VERY loose and VERY different from what you're used to online. - Barron Vangor Toth

[/ QUOTE ]

The typical LA live game is much looser and aggressive than the typical online game at a given level (especially around 3/6 holdem). Online has the advantage of a lower, proportional, rake, no tips, and the fact you can multi-table (you know this of course) and/or play in your underwear.

I'd say some of the players play somewhat better than normal knowing they are on camera. OTOH, "Live at Bike" attracts other players who just want to be on camera, and these players generally don't play that well.

I do think the camera tends to stop major tilting though.

~ Rick

[Rick Nebiolo]

[ QUOTE ]
On the other hand, wouldn't Grace raise in this spot with more hands than flush overcards? Perhaps not a wide enough range to justify a value bet.

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I wrote elsewhere in this thread:

This hand I called on the button with 6h 5h. Flop comes 7-4-? two in my suit. Seat four bets out, Grace raises in seat five, seat six calls, I three bet with the big draw. All three opponents call. When the turn is checked to me I take my free card and was concerned at this point that Grace was on a bigger heart draw (she easily raises with flush overcards on the flop).

The river pairs the four and it is checked to me again. At this point the pot had about nine big bets in it. Grace had a "missed my draw" tell and I thought one of my other two opponents also missed some sort of draw. My bluff only has to work one in ten times to at least break even and I thought I had it here, especially with my image.

Grace would raise with more hands than flush overcards on the flop but the fact she raised, called my three-bet then checked the turn made me think very possible big flush overcards. Then on the river she did have a "missed draw" tell.

BTW, in live games you will find this sort of tell along with people on your left giving away their action all the time. If you play online and wander into a B&amp;M, don't leak this stuff and look for the leaks in others (without them knowing you are looking.

~ Rick

[Rick Nebiolo]

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Care to fill me in on all this crew stuff?

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I think it's that knit hat "thingy" you young guys wear even when it isn't cold. I'm convinced these are the "polyester leisure suits" (or in my case the real short denim cut-off shorts) of your generation (i.e., when you get older you will regret having worn them).

~ Rick

PS I think the Dutch Boyd crew all wore those hats but it's been a while since I had a chance to watch WPT.

[razor]

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called my three-bet then checked the turn

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ok

[geormiet]

Two questions - what did seat #3 look like? I just can't remember for the life of me. I remember the guy in seat 2 with the EFC whatever hat, and the maniac in seat 4, but seat 3 is a bluf.

ALso, when Rick folded AQ to my utg raise, did I have 53s? If so, I knew it! It looked like rick made a long painful fold there and I was chuckling to myself.