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Falcon900EX

03-19-2005, 08:41 PM

no reads.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, 4 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (7 SB) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (5 BB) Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

River: (11 BB) 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, MP1 folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 13 BB

Tx

btspider

03-19-2005, 08:43 PM

your thought process is more important.. take a stab at describing the action + your thoughts.

milesdyson

03-19-2005, 08:50 PM

I doubt he's bluffing (or semi-bluffing) enough to make calling this down +EV, so IMO the right move is folding the turn. And spider is right, what were you thinking during the hand?

Falcon900EX

03-19-2005, 08:57 PM

hm the hand was tough for me.
Against an agressive player i had three bet the turn against a fish or rock i had folded.
Was not sure what to do against a player without a read.
What you think?

imported_leader

03-19-2005, 09:29 PM

I'd fold the turn. The pot is small and you have to call 2 more BB's to win it. Plus MP1 likely has some kind of draw, likely a flush draw. So about 20% of the time that you have UTG+1 beat, you're going lose anyway.

Falcon900EX

03-20-2005, 05:16 AM

any further coments?

Greets

Dave G.

03-20-2005, 07:36 AM

Looks good to me. The appearance of the second Q makes it less likely that UTG+1 has a queen himself. I don't think you can assume the worst with a hand this strong, so calling down seems good.

Falcon900EX

03-20-2005, 07:47 AM

Tx all.
UTG+1 had K5o

Greets

ArturiusX

03-20-2005, 08:06 AM

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Looks good to me. The appearance of the second Q makes it less likely that UTG+1 has a queen himself. I don't think you can assume the worst with a hand this strong, so calling down seems good.

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It doesn't matter if UTG only has 1 queen, we're still ahead of that.

Alex/Mugaaz

03-20-2005, 08:08 AM

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no reads.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, 4 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (7 SB) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (5 BB) Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

River: (11 BB) 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, MP1 folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 13 BB

Tx

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I'm convinced some of the players at microlimits click buttons at random.

I had a hand like this where I had 88 and everyone limped in. I had a middle set on the same board and the flop was capped.

The turn came the Queen, I raised figuring he either had nothing or had me completely dominated, and doing so would allow me to know immediately what he had. He re-raises. I figure I'm destroyed and should fold. I called anyway and called down the river. (In retrospect there is no reason at that time I should of made this decision with the info and opinons I had. My entire idea here was completely wrong. If I was behind there is no better hand I could of made him fold, especially at microlimit. If his hand was worse he should fold almost any holding. I lose both ways. The only way a raise there was a good move is if he would call it with a worse hand which could only be an idiot with bottom two pair, or someone with bottom set.)

River was a blank.
He showed down 44.

I don't think there is much to be learned from this story. Don't adjust your style for people like this. But if you're going to be playing at a table for a while and there is a big hand, I think paying 1 or 2 big bets to see if this guy is capable of clothing himself is worth it.

The only problem I have with SSHE is that it didn't stress enough how meaningful a check raise by loose/passive player is.

Dave G.

03-20-2005, 08:09 AM

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It doesn't matter if UTG only has 1 queen, we're still ahead of that.

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I think you misread the board. If UTG+1 has a queen he has 3 of a kind, which beats our two pair.

kapw7

03-20-2005, 08:11 AM

Thanks for sending this falcon. It's the best reply to ppl who are ready to fold a strong hand to 1 bet. And they forget that this is 1/2 where ppl are loose and sytematically raise when a scare card appears (I do it all the time against weak tight players mostly for fun but it also seems to pay off).

scotty34

03-20-2005, 04:29 PM

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And they forget that this is 1/2 where ppl are loose and sytematically raise when a scare card appears

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Agreed

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG calls, 3 folds, MP2 calls, Hero raises, 4 folds, UTG calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
UTG checks, MP2 bets, Hero raises, UTG folds, MP2 calls.

Turn: (5.75 BB) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
MP2 bets, Hero raises, MP2 calls.

River: (9.75 BB) K/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
MP2 bets, Hero raises, MP2 calls.

Final Pot: 13.75 BB

Results in white below: 
MP2 has 7c 4c (two pair, fives and fours).
Hero has Ah Ac (two pair, aces and fives).
Outcome: Hero wins 13.75 BB. 

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises, 7 folds, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (5.50 SB) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (3.75 BB) T/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls.

River: (5.75 BB) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
UTG+1 bets, Hero raises, UTG+1 calls.

Final Pot: 9.75 BB

Results in white below: 
UTG+1 has Kc 5c (one pair, fives).
Hero has As Ad (one pair, aces).
Outcome: Hero wins 9.75 BB. 

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 raises, Hero 3-bets, 4 folds, BB calls, UTG caps, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls, Hero calls, BB calls.

Flop: (17.50 SB) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, MP1 calls, Hero raises, BB calls, UTG calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (12.75 BB) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, BB calls, UTG folds, MP1 calls.

River: (15.75 BB) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
BB checks, MP1 bets, Hero raises, BB folds, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 19.75 BB

Results in white below: 
MP1 has 9h 9c (two pair, nines and threes).
Hero has Ah As (two pair, aces and threes).
Outcome: Hero wins 19.75 BB. 

It's pretty tough to even consider these scare cards - these players are hilarious.