Bay101 Ruling

[jen]

Here's a Bay 101 floorman ruling that got two of us at the table to immediately leave the 15-30 game...

I was supposed to be the small blind (two of three chips). The guy immediately to my right had missed his blinds and was putting in his chips (five of them?). I thought the guy was "buying the blinds" (a la Lucky Chances). The cards were dealt, and neither the big blind (woman to my left) nor I had put in any blind chips. I mucked my hand. The dealer took my cards (although he kept them separate from the rest of the deck) and then told me that I was supposed to have been the small blind and to put in my blind chips. I disagreed as I had mucked my hand already before anyone told me that I was supposed to be a blind.

The floorman was called, and his ruling was to kill the hand -- to re-deal. In addition, I wasn't allowed to take my small blind on that hand -- in essence making me miss the blinds after I had just paid the big blind.

How can this be right? One of the guys, who apparently got a good hand, was frustrated and left. I also left as I didn't see why I should have been penalized for an apparent dealer error.

What's the right call here?

[DanS]

Jen,
I think it goes like this. The dealer makes sure all the blinds are in place before the second card is dealt to that person. Period.

I played 15-30 at Bay 101 today (if the game was always that loose-passive, I'd stop playing 6-12 and 9-18 forever). So, I open-raise, bet the flop and take the pot. Guy not in involved in hand says 'that guy,' i.e., a player who mucked preflop should have posted, give 'the other guy,' i.e., me, 3 chips. I sensed that the guy mucked his cards legitimately (and wasn't trying to angle his way out of posting), when it dawned on someone else that the guy should in fact have posted 3 hands ago!! I felt I had won some karma points for not getting involved, but it pissed me off that the dealer knew he had [censored] up and not politely said "Sir, you were supposed to post, you'll need to post next hand' when he realized his error.

So, long story short, I don't like it when dealers don't let players know their options, and especially when they sulk when confronted with/pointed to their mistake.

DanS

[Ray Zee]

Jen, i believe the dealer needs to get a verbal ok to deal to a person that hasnt put up yet. i also believe the house should pay for thoise kind of mistakes.

But the way it works is that the players have to pay. so in effect you really did owe the two chips to that pot and your hand was retrevable that time i guess.

the floorman should not have redealt that hand, very bad decision.

[bernie]

amazes me how idiotic some floormen are in this industry. they make such an easy decision complicated. the dipshits..

if there was NO action after your fold, say, the dealer stopped play right after you mucked....then they may replay the hand, because of the missposted chips of the player behind you. you shouldve been able to post your sb here.

did the person posting to your right get to play? they shouldnt have been able to for that hand...unless they ARE able to buy the button, to which this wouldnt have occurred anyway.

poor decision, and a dealer that doesnt know how to run a game.

however, since i think players should police their own games a little, next time you see this, bring the poster to your right to the dealers attention. itll save time doing this...

about the guy who left? if he had AA, hey, at least it held up and he didnt lose any chips. haha....i wouldnt worry about him....

b

[budman]

The right call seems to be making you put your two chips in the pot and giving you back your cards.

Another option (an improper one, but better than the floorman's decision) would be to muck your hand and let you post your small blind on the button next hand.

I am amazed and amused at the terrible decisions made by floor people all the time. I play in Connecticut, and the employment pool is thin. We don't have the luxury of getting up and going to other cardrooms like in California. And the casinos here know it.

I try to keep in mind that the floorpeople are human and are trying their best. I watch with interest what effect these decisions have on my opponents, who sometimes tilt off some chips for a while (other times players leave, walk or tighten up).

[brad]

if im winning i would tend to shrug it off and not worry about it but if im stuck and struggling i think i would just get up and quit too.

these are the hardest decisions because the rules are never followed in the interests of speeding the game up so really you have to take some initiative and make sure you know whats going on when all this posting stuff goes on.

brad