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Akimka

03-18-2005, 02:19 PM

Main question: bet turn or not?
Overral hand?

BB is TP-P
MP3 is LA-P

about 35 hands for each of them

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
Hero raises, 4 folds, MP3 calls, 2 folds, SB calls $4.32 (All-In), BB calls, Hero 3-bets, MP3 calls, BB calls.

Flop: (13.64 SB) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players, 1 all-in)
BB checks, Hero bets, MP3 raises, BB 3-bets, Hero calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (11.32 BB) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players, 1 all-in)
BB checks, Hero checks, MP3 checks.

River: (11.32 BB) T/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players, 1 all-in)
BB checks, Hero bets, MP3 calls, BB calls.

Final Pot: 14.32 BB

Jonny Melon

03-18-2005, 02:34 PM

To answer your question: Yes, bet the turn.

BB is typically pumping a flush draw (maybe a straight draw) on the flop. Since MP3 didn't cap the flop, he is more likely to have a smaller pair (AJ or something) or was trying to get a free card and it backfired. While 9T is a possible draw here, I certainly wouldn't be afraid enough of it to not bet here when checked to.

Jon

chief444

03-18-2005, 02:53 PM

Yes. Bet the turn.

SeaEagle

03-18-2005, 03:32 PM

Why wouldn't you bet the turn?

What do you think MP3 has?

(These are not rhetorical. I'd like to see your thoughts.)

crunchy1

03-18-2005, 03:57 PM

35 hands isn't enough of a read for me. CAP the flop AND bet the turn.

djoyce003

03-18-2005, 03:58 PM

Please please please please never fail to bet that turn every again. Letting that flush draw play for free is horrible and you probably got a gutshot suckout on the river (which you deserve after that check).

KaiShin

03-18-2005, 04:02 PM

Did SB raise all-in PF? Or did you somehow manage to 3-bet yourself /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Yeah, cap flop bet turn.

PokerBob

03-18-2005, 04:03 PM

[ QUOTE ]
Main question: bet turn or not?
Overral hand?

BB is TP-P
MP3 is LA-P

about 35 hands for each of them

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
Hero raises, 4 folds, MP3 calls, 2 folds, SB calls $4.32 (All-In), BB calls, Hero 3-bets, MP3 calls, BB calls.

Flop: (13.64 SB) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players, 1 all-in)
BB checks, Hero bets, MP3 raises, BB 3-bets, Hero calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (11.32 BB) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players, 1 all-in)
BB checks, Hero checks, MP3 checks.

River: (11.32 BB) T/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players, 1 all-in)
BB checks, Hero bets, MP3 calls, BB calls.

Final Pot: 14.32 BB

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I think I cap the flop and bet that turn when checked to.

SCfuji

03-18-2005, 04:21 PM

everybody seems to be overlooking the gutter straight on the board. im skeptical of this river bet. heads up, yes. against 2 people i really dont like the bet, especially with the MP3 type who can have a wide range of holdings. am i missing $ in these situations when i play 2/4?

GailMI

03-18-2005, 05:01 PM

I would have re-raised the flop, bet the turn, but I might have checked the river. What does anyone think of that idea? Here's why--I tend to check the river if I think I'll only get called if I'm beat--and then I might get raised. Now, I would at least consider checking here on the river because of the straight potential on the board.
But--definitely I'd bet the turn.

SeaEagle

03-18-2005, 05:17 PM

It probably doesn't matter much if you bet the river or not. If you bet, you have to win 2 bets for every time you're C/Red and I can't believe the EV is much over just calling.

Not betting the turn is a much bigger error.

CallMeIshmael

03-18-2005, 05:19 PM

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35 hands isn't enough of a read for me. CAP the flop AND bet the turn.

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Akimka

03-18-2005, 06:12 PM

i put him at 2pair/set really. I don't think he can pump his flush draw hard due to his postflop passive.