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pokerkai
03-16-2005, 09:13 PM
Villain has loose 3betting standards...but is reasonable postflop

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (7.66 SB) 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.83 BB) T/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button calls.

River: (8.83 BB) T/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, Hero ?

Final Pot: 12.83 BB
btspider
03-16-2005, 09:30 PM
this isn't a check-call, check-call, bet situation?
college_boy
03-16-2005, 09:42 PM
I would fold. I'm assuming you fold to a river raise Btspider?
pokerkai
03-16-2005, 09:48 PM
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this isn't a check-call, check-call, bet situation?

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I felt it was too weak a line against someone that could be holding a BIG variety of cards. Any pocket pair...any suited ace...any two suited broadways.

I neglected to mention that he will pay off with as little as A high quite frequently.
btspider
03-16-2005, 09:49 PM
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I would fold. I'm assuming you fold to a river raise Btspider?

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i'm not sure if this line is widely recognized or not at this level. i'd probably call after the passive cc, cc line. the cc, cr line is much stronger line and its easier (relatively) to fold to the river raise after that line.. which i'd probably do.

i play 3/6 right now.. so 15/30 is a step up..
private joker
03-16-2005, 09:52 PM
After your checkraise on the turn, I don't think he's expecting you to fold to a river raise. So his raise is for value, meaning I think you're beaten. It's probably okay to fold, but I might have preferred check-calling the whole way against a guy with these reads.
Redeye
03-16-2005, 10:28 PM
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this isn't a check-call, check-call, bet situation?

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I like this line best. Don't give him a chance to fold something like AQ or AJ or a small pp that's drawing to 2 or 3 outs. The board is drawless and these people are usually aggressive enough to bet the whole way.
Hoi Polloi
03-16-2005, 11:03 PM
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After your checkraise on the turn, I don't think he's expecting you to fold to a river raise. So his raise is for value, meaning I think you're beaten. It's probably okay to fold, but I might have preferred check-calling the whole way against a guy with these reads.

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Excellent points. Thanks.