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Benholio
03-16-2005, 06:59 PM
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400 (4 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

SB (t3640)
BB (t2620)
UTG (t425)
Hero (t1315)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>
johnnybeef
03-16-2005, 07:10 PM
depends on the mood im in, my table image, and how good my opponents are.
curtains
03-16-2005, 07:11 PM
I have a program that makes any aces I'm dealt when on the bubble with a shortstack, automatically show up as a duece on my computer screen.
Bigwig
03-16-2005, 07:13 PM
Ick. Gotta fold this one, I think.
Benholio
03-16-2005, 07:14 PM
Well, SB is tight-solid player (2+2 type.. and maybe a 2+2'er? Obstinate-something), BB also seems solid in the ~120 hands I have on him.

If the hand is really a toss-up, thats fine. Just wondering if either pushing or folding was the obvious decision.
Benholio
03-16-2005, 07:14 PM
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I have a program that makes any aces I'm dealt when on the bubble with a shortstack, automatically show up as a duece on my computer screen.

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Hah.. I need it!
dfscott
03-16-2005, 07:14 PM
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I have a program that makes any aces I'm dealt when on the bubble with a shortstack, automatically show up as a duece on my computer screen.

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Except for A9o (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&amp;Board=singletable&amp;Number=1929032 &amp;fpart=1&amp;PHPSESSID=) right?
PoBoy321
03-16-2005, 07:16 PM
Easy fold. UTG is all-in on the next hand.
johnnybeef
03-16-2005, 07:16 PM
in that case id push as they'd fold all but the best hands realizing that you pushed with someone about to bust out. otherwise it would be a fold.
curtains
03-16-2005, 07:19 PM
I would push but it's possible I'm wrong. I'm going to figure out the math now.
EarlCat
03-16-2005, 07:19 PM
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in that case id push as they'd fold all but the best hands realizing that you pushed with someone about to bust out.

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Play for first, settle for third...not fourth. I'm waiting the two hands it takes for UTG to bust out.
curtains
03-16-2005, 07:24 PM
Important Question - is there a program where I can enter calling standards for someone, and it will tell me the % of time they will call. Note that I can do this easily, I just can't do it as easily when I know my hand contains an ace. Is there anything that does this automatically for me, given that an ace is out? Thanks!
Benholio
03-16-2005, 07:26 PM
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in that case id push as they'd fold all but the best hands realizing that you pushed with someone about to bust out.

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Play for first, settle for third...not fourth. I'm waiting the two hands it takes for UTG to bust out.

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Well, if UTG wins the next hand, he has a minimum of 650 after posting the SB, and I have 915 after posting the BB. Not quite a guarantee.

I'd say its about 55% that he goes out next hand, since its basically his random 2 + BB's random 2, plus the small chance that Hero or SB wakes up with something good enough to team up on him.
EarlCat
03-16-2005, 07:37 PM
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Well, if UTG wins the next hand, he has a minimum of 650 after posting the SB, and I have 915 after posting the BB. Not quite a guarantee.

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I'm still not pushing with A7os with a good chance I'm in the money next hand... And is anyone with worse than A7os going to call? No. If you're called, you're screwed.

What does 3rd pay here? $44? $44 vs $-22. That's a $66 move. You gonna go all-in for $66 with A7os? I'm not.

Push a pocket pair, maybe.
1C5
03-16-2005, 07:46 PM
Question for the people who folded? What is the low end range of the hands you would psuh here with?
Benholio
03-16-2005, 08:05 PM
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Well, if UTG wins the next hand, he has a minimum of 650 after posting the SB, and I have 915 after posting the BB. Not quite a guarantee.

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I'm still not pushing with A7os with a good chance I'm in the money next hand... And is anyone with worse than A7os going to call? No. If you're called, you're screwed.

What does 3rd pay here? $44? $44 vs $-22. That's a $66 move. You gonna go all-in for $66 with A7os? I'm not.

Push a pocket pair, maybe.

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3rd pays $40. So its $40 vs $0. (or $18 vs -$22). Its a $40 move. But unfortunately it isn't that simple, since I am not guaranteed to lose if I get called, and not guaranteed 3rd if I fold. I agree its a close call and I'm still not sure about it.
raptor517
03-16-2005, 09:22 PM
curtains u a maniac. i would fold here.. its probably pretty close though
neotope
03-16-2005, 09:43 PM
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I have a program that makes any aces I'm dealt when on the bubble with a shortstack, automatically show up as a duece on my computer screen.

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So 22 is an automatic push then right /images/graemlins/smile.gif
DaffyDuck
03-17-2005, 10:35 PM
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Important Question - is there a program where I can enter calling standards for someone, and it will tell me the % of time they will call. Note that I can do this easily, I just can't do it as easily when I know my hand contains an ace. Is there anything that does this automatically for me, given that an ace is out? Thanks!

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Bump.