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PapiChulo503
03-16-2005, 01:13 PM
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (6 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Hero (t1045)
BB (t1555)
UTG (t1200)
MP (t2755)
CO (t630)
Button (t815)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to t100</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t300</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to t630 (All-In)</font>, Hero calls t330.

Flop: (t1310) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Turn: (t1310) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: (t1310) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t1310

I put this guy on Ax, Kx or a medium pocket pair trying to steal. He previously showed down with some weak hands from late position and I put him on a steal.

Results:
<font color="white"> He won the pot with pocket 10's </font>

ColdestCall
03-16-2005, 01:38 PM
If I were going to play the hand, I would have pushed immediately, hoping to get called by an underpair.

There is always a chance I fold JJ pre-flop, because I am not nearly as much in love with it as a lot of folks until the blinds get real big, but this is not a situation where I could let it go. The combined chances that the CO is either pushing a small PP, has some hand like A-xs that he's willing to go all the way with, or is on a steal with a weak minraise are high enough to compensate me for the rare occasions he has an overpair, and the not so rare occasions where he has overcards and sucks out on me.

Another reason to push is to discourage the BB from trying anything fancy. You want to be sure he folds.

curtains
03-16-2005, 05:26 PM
Looks like you played it fine, although I'd probably have made it 350-400 if I raised there, to remove any doubt in the villians head that he can make you fold.

pastabatman
03-16-2005, 07:00 PM
Still learning SNGs here - just wondering if the following thinking is wrong. With a decent stack, as you have, and only at level 3, I'd tend to just call the first raise. Not looking for coin-flips yet on big chunks of my stack. Depending on how we both played the flop, I think I might have saved some chips. If he checks his set, I'd put in a pot-sized bet. If I didn't pick it up then, check &amp; fold time, saving $230. Is that too weak with 6 players?

Pasta

curtains
03-16-2005, 07:04 PM
Yes it's definitely too weak with just 6 players. Weak enough that if this is your general style of play it should be impossible acheive great results.

The guy has raised first in from the cutoff seat and you have a pair of jacks. You have a premium hand here and should be willing to back it with all your chips.

Awesemo
03-16-2005, 07:04 PM
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I put him on a steal.

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You can never be sure that a person is on a steal. You should rather guess what their range of hands and your expectation against those hands. I'd push this all in preflop anyways.

Benholio
03-16-2005, 07:06 PM
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Looks like you played it fine, although I'd probably have made it 350-400 if I raised there, to remove any doubt in the villians head that he can make you fold.

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Would you really raise 350-400 when you have just over 1000 chips, and the villain has just over 600? Not being sarcastic, just wondering if you really ever made raises that represented that much of your stack when you weren't trying to bait someone into raising your KK/AA or something.

curtains
03-16-2005, 07:06 PM
No I didn't really look closely enough at some of the details of the question. I would probably just move allin.

Benholio
03-16-2005, 07:07 PM
Damn you almost beat me into the pot with your reply...

curtains
03-16-2005, 07:09 PM
Well I was already thinking of whether or not I shuold change my original response or just let it sit. I decided to let it sit unless someone called me out on it, which you did almost 1 minute after the thought popped in my head /images/graemlins/smile.gif

johnnybeef
03-16-2005, 07:20 PM
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Looks like you played it fine, although I'd probably have made it 350-400 if I raised there, to remove any doubt in the villians head that he can make you fold.

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why not push then?

curtains
03-16-2005, 07:24 PM
Read my previous post. I agree that pushing is correct

Mr_J
03-16-2005, 07:26 PM
I push back preflop. Get my chips in when I'm most likely ahead. He might actually be more likely to call a push vs a reraise (reraise shows strength, push could just be resteal?).

PapiChulo503
03-16-2005, 10:04 PM
what range of hands would you put him on? Are there standard ranges of hands for EP,MP and LP? Or is it better to make an educated guess as to a range of hands based on his previous holdings?