UB- el diablo hand

[Badboyy]

If you could sir please discuss your 22 vs Q3 hand..... more along the lines of what did he put you on , who was this player , your read on his hand , your read on what he thought you had .....

I was mad when the outcome happened and i was just watching , i cant imagine how you handle a beat like that.

[soah]

I don't know how to say this without sounding like a jerk (or at least I'm too lazy to do so), but I really wish people would stop posting threads about specific hands and not even attempting to explain what happened for the 97% of us here who are clueless.

[Ulysses]

i am so glad
you made this post
because right now
that is what i feel
like doing
talking
about that hand
[censored] off

[Garland]

He's referring to an Ultimate Bet $25/$50 hand I was observing.

The details are foggy including exact amounts and stacks, but here's how I remember it:

There was a standard raise in early position, and it ended up getting four players including a blind, El Diablo on the button with 22.

The flop came QQ2, suits irrelevant. Checked to El Diablo who potted it. A mid-position player check-raises big, and El Diablo flat calls.

The turn came nothing, and the check-raiser pushes (covers El Diablo). El Diablo calls instantly.

The river was a 3, which bad-beated El Diablo when the check-raiser showed Q3 suited.

El Diablo left after that hand.

Anyone who wants to correct me, add more detail or flavor, be my guest.

Garland

[JaBlue]

What's there to discuss... D played fine and got bad beated. Move on.

[fsuplayer]

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What's there to discuss... D played fine and got bad beated. Move on.

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[theBruiser500]

Badboyy thanks for the post. Let's hope that some of the experts like Flynn and Ray Zee chime in here on the intracacies of this hand (like maybe Diablo should have pushed on the flop???) this thread could get v. interesting.

[KaneKungFu123]

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Badboyy thanks for the post. Let's hope that some of the experts like Flynn and Ray Zee chime in here on the intracacies of this hand (like maybe Diablo should have pushed on the flop???) this thread could get v. interesting.

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This hand is very uninteresting.

[partygirluk]

[ QUOTE ]
i am so glad
you made this post
because right now
that is what i feel
like doing
talking
about that hand
[censored] off

[/ QUOTE ]

When is the El Diablo poetry compilation hitting the bookstores?

[neon]

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Badboyy thanks for the post. Let's hope that some of the experts like Flynn and Ray Zee chime in here on the intracacies of this hand (like maybe Diablo should have pushed on the flop???) this thread could get v. interesting.

[/ QUOTE ]

This hand is very uninteresting.

[/ QUOTE ]

Time for some new batteries in the ol' sarcasm detector, dude.

[HoldEm_Hero]

Why is this a bad beat? Diablo had the ass end of a board with many configurations of boats on it all higher that Diablo's. I beieve a few of you believe this to be a bad beat because of your respect for diablo's play on this site. He got beat, it wasn't that bad. Move on.

[soah]

Yeah, when I flop the third nuts I try to keep the pot pretty small in case someone hits a four-outer on me.

[KaneKungFu123]

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Badboyy thanks for the post. Let's hope that some of the experts like Flynn and Ray Zee chime in here on the intracacies of this hand (like maybe Diablo should have pushed on the flop???) this thread could get v. interesting.

[/ QUOTE ]

true.
This hand is very uninteresting.

[/ QUOTE ]

Time for some new batteries in the ol' sarcasm detector, dude.

[/ QUOTE ]

[partygirluk]

OK. I'll try and make this interesting. Assume that Villain has exactly the pot left. Which turn cards would make you fold to a push?

I think either of the other Queens, and nothing else. Ace would be scary in a raised pot, but I call getting 2-1.

[Post-Oak]

[ QUOTE ]
Why is this a bad beat? Diablo had the ass end of a board with many configurations of boats on it all higher that Diablo's. I beieve a few of you believe this to be a bad beat because of your respect for diablo's play on this site. He got beat, it wasn't that bad. Move on.

[/ QUOTE ]

It is a pretty pedestrian hand. If he is extremely steamed by this one hand, he is playing over his head and should move down in limits.

But...
1. his opponent did play it poorly
2. you can be pretty sure you have the best hand on the flop when you have the underfull here, even when you get action. Brunson correctly says not to slow play this hand, but unless stacks were extremely deep (it seems they were not), Diablo did nothing which could be construed as slow playing. So calling it the "ass end of it", as if the underfull is the equivalent of the ignorant end of a straight is pretty foolish.

But yeah, he probably needs to move down a limit if one hand can set him off like that. It happens in poker. It was smart to leave the table though.

[HoldEm_Hero]

[ QUOTE ]
Yeah, when I flop the third nuts I try to keep the pot pretty small in case someone hits a four-outer on me.

[/ QUOTE ]

You must be reading something in my post that I don't see. Did I mention anywhere that the pot should be kept small or did I criticize Diablo's play? No. I'm simply pointing out the fact that he didn't have the nuts at ANY point and that beats like that are likely to heppen when you don't. Ok, a three hit to complete the villains hand, would it still be a bad beat if an Ace fell on the turn to boat him up? The problem is you pre-madonna 2+2er's who feel like every pot you enter with the 3rd nuts you should win. Go ahead and flame me, itll have about as much affect on me as this original post did. Babies. /images/graemlins/frown.gif

[soah]

Whether you have the nuts or the third nuts actually has no impact on the probability of your opponent hitting a four-outer.

[nicky g]

A bad beat has little to do with the absolute value of your hand, it's about the relative value of your hand compared to the other hand. Losing to a four outer with one card to come isn't the worse beat in the world, but it's still a bad beat.

[Ricky]

[ QUOTE ]
Whether you have the nuts or the third nuts actually has no impact on the probability of your opponent hitting a four-outer.

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Why do people keep saying it was a 4-outter? On the flop he had 4 outs but on the turn he had 7 because if the river paired the turn he won the pot too. ~15%

[partygirluk]

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The problem is you pre-madonna 2+2er's who feel like every pot you enter with the 3rd nuts you should win. Go ahead and flame me, itll have about as much affect on me as this original post did. Babies. /images/graemlins/frown.gif

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I think most posters postdate the Queen of Pop.

[HoldEm_Hero]

[ QUOTE ]
Whether you have the nuts or the third nuts actually has no impact on the probability of your opponent hitting a four-outer.

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Yes, but if you have the NUTS there's no such thing as a four outer. /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[HoldEm_Hero]

lol /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[nicky g]

[ QUOTE ]
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Whether you have the nuts or the third nuts actually has no impact on the probability of your opponent hitting a four-outer.

[/ QUOTE ]

Yes, but if you have the NUTS there's no such thing as a four outer. /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

? Yes there is. You can be outdrawn holding the current nuts. Eg on a 46 QK board. I have KK. Opponent has AJ. I have the nuts, he has 4 outs to beat me.

[HoldEm_Hero]

WOW. Your so incredibly smart.

[etizzle]

no, you are just a moron

[AZK]

8 outs but who is counting.

I don't know why everyone is freaking out about this hand, guy put his money in the worst of it on the turn then hit an 8-outer on the river. It's poker, it happens, there is no real thought/strategy in this hand that it should be discussed so as to benefit all of us. Diablo's moves were probably totally player dependent and pretty straight forward anyway...

[Blackjack]

Haha - It's funny that everyone forgot to add the queen as an out.

[Jeff W]

[ QUOTE ]
8 outs but who is counting.

[/ QUOTE ]

I am...it's 7 outs.

Q3 on QQ27 board. 1 Queen, 3 7s and 3 3s win.

[nicky g]

So you were joking? In that case, what was your point to start with?

Go away.

[kagame]

since this thread is completely worthless ill add my 2 cents:

Another dewey would have been extremely cute for Diablo to get paid off on. Nice top boat Mr. Q3....what a garbagebag.

[HoldEm_Hero]

This comment is pertaining to being in the moment where only the cards on the boards and the cards in your hand matter. Nothing else.

[Ulysses]

[ QUOTE ]
If he is extremely steamed by this one hand

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[ QUOTE ]
But yeah, he probably needs to move down a limit if one hand can set him off like that.

[/ QUOTE ]


what on earth
makes you think
i was steamed by the hand
you moron
this was only 11k
i have lost
multiple 15k+ pots
this week
already
who cares
it's just poker
it happens
oh yeah
i won some pots too

[Ulysses]

[ QUOTE ]
I beieve a few of you believe this to be a bad beat because of your respect for diablo's play on this site. He got beat, it wasn't that bad. Move on.

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i believe
it is more likely
they think it is a bad beat
because of
the odds

[KaneKungFu123]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
If he is extremely steamed by this one hand

[/ QUOTE ]

[ QUOTE ]
But yeah, he probably needs to move down a limit if one hand can set him off like that.

[/ QUOTE ]


what on earth
makes you think
i was steamed by the hand
you moron
this was only 12k
i have lost
multiple 15k+ pots
this week
already
who cares
it's just poker
it happens
oh yeah
i won some pots too

[/ QUOTE ]

does your dick get heavy with so many people riding it at a time?

[Loci]

7 outer, actually... three 3's, a Q, and three possible pairs for a turn card... but that's a moot point.

[Post-Oak]

[ QUOTE ]

what on earth
makes you think
i was steamed by the hand
you moron


[/ QUOTE ]

It was this quote which led me to believe so:
"i am so glad
you made this post
because right now
that is what i feel
like doing
talking
about that hand
[censored] off"

[Loci]

It's not the people riding his dick that make it heavy, it's the size of his balls.

-He didn't post this hand, he didn't want to talk about it, so leave him alone, eh?

[Ulysses]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]

what on earth
makes you think
i was steamed by the hand
you moron


[/ QUOTE ]

It was this quote which led me to believe so:
"i am so glad
you made this post
because right now
that is what i feel
like doing
talking
about that hand
[censored] off"

[/ QUOTE ]

the post was stupid
because there was
nothing to talk about

[Ulysses]

[ QUOTE ]
It's not the people riding his dick that make it heavy, it's the size of his balls.

-He didn't post this hand, he didn't want to talk about it, so leave him alone, eh?

[/ QUOTE ]

haha
kane is kool
he just wanted
to talk about
my dick
that is cool

[Richie Rich]

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=830255
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing Qs 2d Qh
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
2s 2c 763 77.07 227 22.93 0 0.00 0.771
Qc 3h 227 22.93 763 77.07 0 0.00 0.229

Many seem to think the villain only had 3 outs and, hence, this was a horrible beat. Not true. In addition to the remaining Queen (1 out), villain could've won this hand if the turn card paired on the river (3 outs) as well as any of the remaining "3"s falling on the turn/river (3 outs). IMO, losing to a 7-outer is not a "bad beat". But it still sucks.

[KaneKungFu123]

[ QUOTE ]
http://twodimes.net/h/?z=830255
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing Qs 2d Qh
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
2s 2c 763 77.07 227 22.93 0 0.00 0.771
Qc 3h 227 22.93 763 77.07 0 0.00 0.229

Many seem to think the villain only had 3 outs and, hence, this was a very bad beat. Not true. In addition to the remaining Queen (1 out), villain could've won this hand if the turn card paired on the river (3 outs) as well as any of the remaining "3"s falling on the turn/river (3 outs). IMO, losing to a 7-outer is not a "bad beat". But it still sucks.

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nice

[Ulysses]

[ QUOTE ]
http://twodimes.net/h/?z=830255
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing Qs 2d Qh
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
2s 2c 763 77.07 227 22.93 0 0.00 0.771
Qc 3h 227 22.93 763 77.07 0 0.00 0.229

Many seem to think the villain only had 3 outs and, hence, this was a very bad beat. Not true. In addition to the remaining Queen (1 out), villain could've won this hand if the turn card paired on the river (3 outs) as well as any of the remaining "3"s falling on the turn/river (3 outs). IMO, losing to a 7-outer is not a "bad beat". But it still sucks.

[/ QUOTE ]

wtf
are you talking about?
what is
a bad beat?

if you knew odds better
you might know
he is in even worse shape
on the turn

[Richie Rich]

Last week,
I spiked a set on a flop
of J-5-2 with 22.
Turn came another
Jack.
I pushed, villain called.
River was another
Jack.
He won with 5-3.
That's a bad beat.
http://twodimes.net/h/?z=830275

[KaneKungFu123]

[ QUOTE ]
Last week,
I spiked a set on a flop
of J-5-2 with 22.
Turn came another
Jack.
I pushed, villain called.
River was another
Jack.
He won with 5-3.
That's a bad beat.
http://twodimes.net/h/?z=830275

[/ QUOTE ]

I ordered extra onions, and got no [censored] onions, and there is a chance the guys in back jerked off into the damn thing too.

plug this into two dimes will ya?

[Richie Rich]

[ QUOTE ]
I ordered extra onions, and got no [censored] onions, and there is a chance the guys in back jerked off into the damn thing too.

plug this into two dimes will ya?

[/ QUOTE ]

If you ordered your food at the drive-thru window, and it was late at night, then there's at least an 80% chance they f'd up your order. No pun intended.

[Ulysses]

OK Richie
so when you push preflop
with aces
and pocket deuces call and win
i guess to you
that is not a bad beat
whatever

[Sponger15SB]

[ QUOTE ]

this was only 11k
i have lost
multiple 15k+ pots
this week

[/ QUOTE ]

It was only 11k and he made a post about it?

Wake me up when Diablo loses a $30,000 pot

edit - or wins too. that would be nice

[ggbman]

This thread is ridiculous, i don't know why anyone would even start it. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that El D. had the other guy on a Q, which is just what he had. Then he got screwed on the river, which poker. El Diablo didn't even post the hand, so he wasnt complaining about a beat, so who cares how bad or not bad the beat is. And why go tell someone who got rivered in an 11K pot thats it not a bad beat when he never even posted about the hand in the first place. He'll live, im sure he's had worse beats, and i'm sure he has more then enough to lose pots like this.

[Richie Rich]

El D-
I'm just trying to put things
into perspective.
Losing AA to 22
or any smaller pocket pair
sucks, since your opponent only has
2 clean outs
(excluding any draws),
or your AQ losing to A8,
since he only has
3 clean outs.
But it happens all the time.
So why would losing to a 7-outer seem
or feel
any worse?
An OESD has 8 outs,
a flush draw has 9 outs,
where do you draw the line
to define a bad beat?

[JaBlue]

[ QUOTE ]
El D-
I'm just trying to put things
into perspective.
Losing AA to 22
or any smaller pocket pair
sucks, since your opponent only has
2 clean outs
(excluding any draws),
or your AQ losing to A8,
since he only has
3 clean outs.
But it happens all the time.
So why would losing to a 7-outer seem
or feel
any worse?
An OESD has 8 outs,
a flush draw has 9 outs,
where do you draw the line
to define a bad beat?

[/ QUOTE ]

Having 2 outs for 5 cards is much better than having 7 outs with 1 card.

PS ditch the poetry.

[schwza]

[ QUOTE ]
(excluding any draws),

[/ QUOTE ]

blech.

[Richie Rich]

[ QUOTE ]
Having 2 outs for 5 cards is much better than having 7 outs with 1 card.

[/ QUOTE ]
Less than 3% difference.

[ QUOTE ]
PS ditch the poetry.

[/ QUOTE ]
Thanks for your advice.

[trevor]

[ QUOTE ]
I'm simply pointing out the fact that he didn't have the nuts at ANY point and that beats like that are likely to heppen when you don't.

[/ QUOTE ]

You're right, I hate getting my money in as a huge favorite....you idiot.

[ QUOTE ]
would it still be a bad beat if an Ace fell on the turn to boat him up?

[/ QUOTE ]

Without question.....you idiot.

[ QUOTE ]
Go ahead and flame me

[/ QUOTE ]

No problem, you're a tool.......and an idiot.

Did I mention that you're an idiot?

[Ulysses]

i consider
losing AA to 22
allin preflop
a bad beat
it is weird that
you dont

[aggie]

i think a lot of defining a bad beat has to do with when the money went in and how far ahead or behind you were at that point....

[Lawrence Ng]

[ QUOTE ]
I was mad when the outcome happened and i was just watching , i cant imagine how you handle a beat like that.

[/ QUOTE ]

This is indeed a most retarded statement.

Lawrence

[Loci]

actually, since there were two cards drawing, the turn had an 8 % chance and the river had about 14-15% it's not much different than five draws at a two outer... this is just semantics though... still a bad beat.

[legend42]

[ QUOTE ]
actually, since there were two cards drawing, the turn had an 8 % chance and the river had about 14-15% it's not much different than five draws at a two outer... this is just semantics though... still a bad beat.

[/ QUOTE ]

Especially since, if you just called an all-in with 22 on a QQ2J board and were asked which card (besides the case deuce) you'd like to see on the river, I think a 3 would be a pretty popular answer.

[HiatusOver]

LOL LOL LOL...that is one of the funniest posts I have ever seen on here. Well Done

[thatpfunk]

this thread makes me want to light myself on fire.
jesus christ.

[fsuplayer]

agreed.

[Loci]

lol... well, I think if I had the ability to choose a card to hit the river I think I'd pick the case deuce /images/graemlins/grin.gif, but a three would certainly be my next choice!

[Loci]

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I was mad when the outcome happened and i was just watching , i cant imagine how you handle a beat like that.


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This is indeed a most retarded statement.



[/ QUOTE ]

Now L Ng, You're above that kind of language. Its preferred that you use the term mentally handicapped... or poker deficient... or commander in chief.....

[HoldEm_Hero]

He was less than a three to one favorite at best and the villain picked up outs on the turn. He got beat, but it wasn't that bad.

[Ulysses]

[ QUOTE ]
He was less than a three to one favorite at best and the villain picked up outs on the turn. He got beat, but it wasn't that bad.

[/ QUOTE ]

how bad or not
that is yours to decide
but your numbers are wrong
villain's a bigger dog on the flop
and even worse on the turn

[soah]

There's some railbird at Party named Badboyy who appears to be harrassing one of the 5/10 full ring tables. I wonder if it's the same guy.

[Ray Zee]

el, it is a bad beat. i am sorry to hear about it. the others may not understand but i do. so next time i see you i will buy you one of those gay beers you drink.

[Lawrence Ng]

[ QUOTE ]
gay beers you drink.

[/ QUOTE ]

Heiniken?

[myst1]

Diablo are you trying to imitate the black kid on Malcolm in the Middle?