If I'm going to call this turn, should I be calling this river?

[shant]

BB is a loose fish that's slightly more aggressive postflop than most fish.
UTG+2 is decent and aggressive, but slightly loose preflop.

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, BB calls, UTG+2 calls.

Flop: (6.33 SB) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, BB calls, UTG+2 calls.

Turn: (7.66 BB) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, UTG+2 calls, Hero calls.

River: (10.66 BB) 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, UTG+2 calls, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 12.66 BB
<font color="#009B00">Main Pot: 12.66 BB, between BB and UTG+2.</font>

[DMBFan23]

I really really don't like your river fold.

[lightw1thoutheat]

i think that callling the river is a must here. you are ahead a lot of the time, far more than enough to call. whats the thinking on folding the river? am i missing something.

[shant]

My thinking was a fish bet into two players who have shown strength. When he bets again and isn't worried about the board pairing, I didn't think I'd win by overcalling.

[pokerkai]

you just caught up to some funky two pairs on the river...
hate the river fold.

[Jules22]

you did WHAT on the river?!!?!






im just kidding man... but seriously nh except for the river fold

[SteveGriff]

Anyone raise the turn here? And if everyone calls and gets checked to you, take the free showdown?

Steve Griff

[gaming_mouse]

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you just caught up to some funky two pairs on the river...
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exactly. the river just helped you, if anything. if you thought you should fold, you should have folded the turn. but i think calling down here is +EV.

[Thomsen]

his possible twopair holding was destroyed by the river. If anything you should raise the river.

Flop I would have only called and waited to raise the turn. Turn is the the street that is most expensive for the draws...

[chesspain]

There is no way I fold this getting better than 12:1, especially if BB is a fairly poor player. Although I think it's too fanciful to think that BB has a counterfeited flopped two-pair (62?), I'm not giving anyone auto-credit for a set or AA, especially since I think UTG+1 would have found a raise on the turn or river (and waited until after the flop to raise) if he had a set.

[Chris Daddy Cool]

what the hell?

[PokerBob]

If I'm going to call this turn, should I be calling this river?

Absolutely

[chief444]

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[afk]

"Even when you are almost sure that you are beaten, do not fold decent hands for one bet."

"Calling with a second-best hand is not a big mistake. Folding a winner in a big pot is a catastrophe. Don't do it."

-A bit of SSH for the soul.

[partygirluk]

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[Eihli]

...whenever i horribly misclick.

[imported_torgeauxSA]

I guess I have to ask what hands you think he has? Seems to me that he most likely has a K. He didn't re-raise on the flop, so how does the 4 improve his hand? Did you really put him on a 35? If he has K6 or K2, he would have capped the betting on the flop. If he has a set, he would have capped. (You said he was aggressive post-flop). That leaves him with Kx, and unlikely it beats your AK. Raise the turn.

[SunOfaJack]

Folding the river here is devastational!

More interesting to see whether most people would:

1) agree with flop 3 bet, then call down
2) flop call 2 bet, raise turn
3) raise flop, raise turn

I like call flop raise turn myself, the decent UTG player can then be made to pay wrong price for what I would guess is flush.

The action if reraised by loose fish would be iffier, but I'd still probably call down.

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[Sarge85]

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you just caught up to some funky two pairs on the river...
hate the river fold.

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[shant]

OK, it seems like I made the wrong move here. I thought I couldn't win if overcalled the bet here. Obviously, getting 12-1 I should've called anyway. He could've had a lot of things other than what he did.

UTG+2 had KQo. BB had K4o and takes it.

[colgin]

River: (10.66 BB) 4 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
BB bets, UTG+2 calls, Hero folds, Colgin pukes.

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River: (10.66 BB) 4 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
BB bets, UTG+2 calls, Hero folds, Colgin pukes.

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nh

[shant]

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Anyone raise the turn here? And if everyone calls and gets checked to you, take the free showdown?

Steve Griff

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I was wondering about this too. Should I raise the turn/fold to 3-bet or just call it down?

[otnemem]

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Folding the river here is devastational!

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Using the word devestational is devistating.

(Sorry. Grammar hound.)

[meep_42]

River: (10.66 BB) 4 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
BB bets, UTG+2 calls, Hero folds, Colgin pukes, BB continues to give away money by calling a raise with K4o from the BB.

-d

[DMBFan23]

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Folding the river here is devastational!

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Using the word devestational is devistating.

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[sean c]

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Anyone raise the turn here? And if everyone calls and gets checked to you, take the free showdown?

Steve Griff

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I was wondering about this too. Should I raise the turn/fold to 3-bet or just call it down?

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With the overcaller I think calling down is best.

[jskills]

I hate that fold so much. Then I again I call down too much.

Seriously, why fold? Is BB playing a 4 this way? Nope. So it's gotta be a 22 or 66? But if it were that, wouldn't he cap the flop action? If he's just going to call, why not set up a C/R on the turn if he's so strong?

Seems to me like you have to call down one more BB on the river here ...

I'm putting UTG+2 on a KQs or KJs (of clubs) or something.

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[KidPokerX]

Ahhhhh .... bad fold.

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I think it's safe to say I won't make a fold like this again.

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