Fold the River? 3 examples

[party36master]

One of the things I've been working on lately is my river play, specifically trying to follow SSHE advice and not fold the river to one bet.

What do you think of these hands?

Hand 1: I suppose my pre-flop call was borderline, but the table had been rather loose. CO had been going to showdown quite a bit, but I didn't have a lot of hands w/him. I think I like the river call, your thoughts?

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB checks.

Flop: (4.33 SB) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, CO calls, BB folds, UTG calls.

Turn: (3.66 BB) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, CO calls, UTG folds.

River: (5.66 BB) J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 7.66 BB

Hand 2: MP2 is a bit loose and wild, but the pot is too big to fold the river, right?

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Preflop: Hero is Button with T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB calls, BB calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (8 SB) Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB calls, BB folds, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 3-bets</font>, Hero calls, SB calls.

Turn: (8.50 BB) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, Hero calls, SB calls.

River: (11.50 BB) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, Hero calls, SB folds.

Final Pot: 13.50 BB

Hand 3: Here I'm fairly certain I'm dead, but is he bluffing more than 8% of the time....

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (6.33 SB) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises</font>, BB folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.16 BB) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 3-bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (11.16 BB) 5/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 13.16 BB

[Shillx]

Hand 1: Yeah the call is fine, but why did you check the river to begin with? You should be betting this river 100% of the time for value. OOP you need to bet more hands against scary river cards because you allow weak payoff hands to take a free showdown when you check.

Brad

[party36master]

bump

[Chris Daddy Cool]

hand 1 fold preflop. bet the river.

hand 2 i could see a river fold.

hand 3 you are probably beat here but i'd call down.

[afk]

Hand one I think you should fold preflop, but since you didn't you should bet this river every time.

Hand two I'm not entirely sure what I'd do in this hand. I don't think you played it horribly, but I do think you're toast a lot of the time.

Hand three I think is ok. If I had a good read and an amazing ability to fold to turn 3 bets then I might fold the turn. He's not bluffing, unless he bluff raised the flop and bluff 3bet your turn c/r.

[br549007]

#1 fold pre flop..#2 fold to turn bet #3 cap turn and cap river

[Fat Nicky]

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#3 cap turn and cap river

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please don't do this.

[young nut]

#1 - fold it PF, but otherwise bet the river (unless you were trying to induce a bluff?) But I would just go ahead and bet it.

#2 - I think you can lay this one down on the turn pretty easily.

#3 - Either fold to the 3 bet, or call down. I would probably have to call down w/out a strong read.

[meep_42]

Why are you c/r hand 3? Do you want QJ to slow down? Check/call the turn, bet the river - decide based on read what to do to a river raise.

-d

[spydog]

Hand 3: Why raise the turn? Do you want him to fold QJ or something worse than TPTK? Call the turn bet and raise the river unless it's a diamond, jack, or 8.

[party36master]

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#2 - I think you can lay this one down on the turn pretty easily.


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So you're assuming he has KQ, AK, or 88, and I have 3 outs?
That makes sense..

[bobbyi]

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#2 - I think you can lay this one down on the turn pretty easily.


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So you're assuming he has KQ, AK, or 88, and I have 3 outs?
That makes sense..

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When he bets into you on the flop like this and three-bets, I don't think there's much chance the KT is currently the best hand.