ND gets crushed at home by Holy Cross [Archive]

Clarkmeister

03-15-2005, 10:27 PM

So much for their bubble argument.

Does this reflect poorly on the Big East? I think so, especially in light of the UCLA trouncing of the Domers just a few weeks ago. Add that into the big losses by Syracuse at home vs Okie St and UConn getting crushed at home vs UNC and suddenly one might think the Big East simply has made themselves look good by beating each other up. IIRC only two top-25 non conference wins for the ENTIRE LEAGUE.

Is the Big East phony? I'm starting to wonder.

pshreck

03-15-2005, 10:31 PM

You are putting way too much weight into an NIT game, and you know it.

DougOzzzz

03-15-2005, 10:33 PM

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So much for their bubble argument.

Does this reflect poorly on the Big East? I think so, especially in light of the UCLA trouncing of the Domers just a few weeks ago. Add that into the big losses by Syracuse at home vs Okie St and UConn getting crushed at home vs UNC and suddenly one might think the Big East simply has made themselves look good by beating each other up. IIRC only two top-25 non conference wins for the ENTIRE LEAGUE.

Is the Big East phony? I'm starting to wonder.

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I would hardly say UConn got "crushed" by UNC.

Clarkmeister

03-15-2005, 10:37 PM

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I would hardly say UConn got "crushed" by UNC.

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Slight exaggeration, but not much considering they were at home. And yes, I know about the injury they had.

MEbenhoe

03-15-2005, 10:41 PM

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Is the Big East phony?

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Yes, they are good, but not near as good as they've been made out to be.

Corey

03-15-2005, 11:08 PM

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You are putting way too much weight into an NIT game, and you know it.

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Dead

03-15-2005, 11:17 PM

Is the Big Ten better in your opinion?

Two of the last three champions have been Big East champions.

Syracuse gave Kansas an ass whooping in 2003.

Connecticut gave Georgia Tech an ass whooping in 2004.

And wait till next year, when we lose BC, but gain Cincinatti + Louisville.

We'll have 8 teams in next year.

MEbenhoe

03-15-2005, 11:27 PM

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Is the Big Ten better in your opinion?

Two of the last three champions have been Big East champions.

Syracuse gave Kansas an ass whooping in 2003.

Connecticut gave Georgia Tech an ass whooping in 2004.

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1. Previous years performances don't say that a conference is good this year.

2. Big Ten tourney teams records against tourney teams:

Illinois 13-0
MSU 8-5
Wisconsin 6-5
Minnesota 2-7
Iowa 7-7

Total Conference Record: 36-24 .600 winning pct

Big East:

UConn 5-5
Syracuse 5-6
BC 6-3
Nova 7-4
Pitt 4-6
WVU 7-6

Total Conference Record: 34-30 .531 winning pct

bugstud

03-15-2005, 11:39 PM

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Is the Big Ten better in your opinion?

Two of the last three champions have been Big East champions.

Syracuse gave Kansas an ass whooping in 2003.

Connecticut gave Georgia Tech an ass whooping in 2004.

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1. Previous years performances don't say that a conference is good this year.

2. Big Ten tourney teams records against tourney teams:

Illinois 13-0
MSU 8-5
Wisconsin 6-5
Minnesota 2-7
Iowa 7-7

Total Conference Record: 36-24 .600 winning pct

Big East:

UConn 5-5
Syracuse 5-6
BC 6-3
Nova 7-4
Pitt 4-6
WVU 7-6

Total Conference Record: 34-30 .531 winning pct

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Is there a nonconf stat for these too?

MEbenhoe

03-15-2005, 11:41 PM

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Is the Big Ten better in your opinion?

Two of the last three champions have been Big East champions.

Syracuse gave Kansas an ass whooping in 2003.

Connecticut gave Georgia Tech an ass whooping in 2004.

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1. Previous years performances don't say that a conference is good this year.

2. Big Ten tourney teams records against tourney teams:

Illinois 13-0
MSU 8-5
Wisconsin 6-5
Minnesota 2-7
Iowa 7-7

Total Conference Record: 36-24 .600 winning pct

Big East:

UConn 5-5
Syracuse 5-6
BC 6-3
Nova 7-4
Pitt 4-6
WVU 7-6

Total Conference Record: 34-30 .531 winning pct

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Is there a nonconf stat for these too?

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Well considering conf would end up at .500 because it would result in a W for one team and a L for the other, there is a 12 game difference between Ws and Ls for the Big Ten and a 4 game difference for the Big East.

bugstud

03-15-2005, 11:42 PM

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Is the Big Ten better in your opinion?

Two of the last three champions have been Big East champions.

Syracuse gave Kansas an ass whooping in 2003.

Connecticut gave Georgia Tech an ass whooping in 2004.

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1. Previous years performances don't say that a conference is good this year.

2. Big Ten tourney teams records against tourney teams:

Illinois 13-0
MSU 8-5
Wisconsin 6-5
Minnesota 2-7
Iowa 7-7

Total Conference Record: 36-24 .600 winning pct

Big East:

UConn 5-5
Syracuse 5-6
BC 6-3
Nova 7-4
Pitt 4-6
WVU 7-6

Total Conference Record: 34-30 .531 winning pct

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Is there a nonconf stat for these too?

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Well considering conf would end up at .500 because it would result in a W for one team and a L for the other, there is a 12 game difference between Ws and Ls for the Big Ten and a 4 game difference for the Big East.

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I meant team by team. As in, did Minnesota lose all of its tourney games in conference, etc. I wanted to see if the Big East as all in conference junk

MEbenhoe

03-15-2005, 11:43 PM

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Is the Big Ten better in your opinion?

Two of the last three champions have been Big East champions.

Syracuse gave Kansas an ass whooping in 2003.

Connecticut gave Georgia Tech an ass whooping in 2004.

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1. Previous years performances don't say that a conference is good this year.

2. Big Ten tourney teams records against tourney teams:

Illinois 13-0
MSU 8-5
Wisconsin 6-5
Minnesota 2-7
Iowa 7-7

Total Conference Record: 36-24 .600 winning pct

Big East:

UConn 5-5
Syracuse 5-6
BC 6-3
Nova 7-4
Pitt 4-6
WVU 7-6

Total Conference Record: 34-30 .531 winning pct

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Is there a nonconf stat for these too?

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Well considering conf would end up at .500 because it would result in a W for one team and a L for the other, there is a 12 game difference between Ws and Ls for the Big Ten and a 4 game difference for the Big East.

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I meant team by team. As in, did Minnesota lose all of its tourney games in conference, etc. I wanted to see if the Big East as all in conference junk

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Hold on I'll get back to you on that

MEbenhoe

03-15-2005, 11:55 PM

Here it is again, nonconference records in parentheses

Big Ten tourney teams records against tourney teams:

Illinois 13-0 (5-0)
MSU 8-5 (4-2)
Wisconsin 6-5 (3-0)
Minnesota 2-7 (0-2)
Iowa 7-7 (5-1)

Total Conference Record: 36-24 .600 winning pct (17-5)

Big East:

UConn 5-5 (0-2)
Syracuse 5-6 (1-1)
BC 6-3 (1-0)
Nova 7-4 (3-0)
Pitt 4-6 (0-1)
WVU 7-6 (3-0)

Total Conference Record: 34-30 .531 winning pct (8-4)

Clarkmeister

03-16-2005, 02:48 AM

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Here it is again, nonconference records in parentheses

Big Ten tourney teams records against tourney teams:

Illinois 13-0 (5-0)
MSU 8-5 (4-2)
Wisconsin 6-5 (3-0)
Minnesota 2-7 (0-2)
Iowa 7-7 (5-1)

Total Conference Record: 36-24 .600 winning pct (17-5)

Big East:

UConn 5-5 (0-2)
Syracuse 5-6 (1-1)
BC 6-3 (1-0)
Nova 7-4 (3-0)
Pitt 4-6 (0-1)
WVU 7-6 (3-0)

Total Conference Record: 34-30 .531 winning pct (8-4)

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Whoops.

Clarkmeister

03-16-2005, 02:51 AM

I admit to being amused by the fact that you ignore my post and go to the tired "well, they are better than the Big Ten" argument (when I never mentioned the Big Ten and anyone around here knows I have consistently said the Big East was the premier conference this year all season long) and whoops, suddenly some stats might suggest that they *aren't* better. Now that's funny stuff.

My initial point that the conference's teams' uninspired performance out of conference, on their home court no less, leads to the asking of a legitimate question. Namely, is the Big East maybe not quite as good as many of us have thought this year.

Dead

03-16-2005, 02:53 AM

This proves nothing, do you see why?

Lots of teams in the Big 10 played very easy OOC schedules, including Iowa and Minnesota.

Iowa's only big win was over Louisville.
Let me look at Minnesota's OOC now.

bugstud

03-16-2005, 02:55 AM

Clarkmeister

03-16-2005, 02:55 AM

MEbenhoe

03-16-2005, 02:56 AM

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This proves nothing, do you see why?

Lots of teams in the Big 10 played very easy OOC schedules, including Iowa and Minnesota.

Iowa's only big win was over Illinois.
Let me look at Minnesota's OOC now.

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The only non conference games I took into account were those against tourney teams. And the 5 tourney teams from the big ten played twice as many non conference games against tourney teams as the 6 big east tourney teams did, so who had the weak non conference schedules?

Dead

03-16-2005, 02:56 AM

Fine, bugstud.

I've been up for about 18 hours and I meant to write Louisville. Of course they didn't beat Illinois. Everyone knows that Illinois's only loss was to Ohio State.

Dead

03-16-2005, 02:57 AM

I don't remember SU playing many of the automatic bid teams. Others in the tournament have had more opportunities to play them, and they have beat them.

pshreck

03-16-2005, 02:58 AM

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Everyone knows that Illinois's only loss was to Ohio State.

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Actually me and the rest of the Mighty Ducks beat them in a pick up game in December.

Dead

03-16-2005, 02:59 AM

*** You are ignoring this user ***

First person I've ever had to do that to.

Clarkmeister

03-16-2005, 03:00 AM

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Iowa's only big win was over Illinois.

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1. They lost twice to IL. Once at home and once in OT on the road.

2. Their non-con schedule includes wins at Louisville, vs. Texas, vs. Iowa State, vs. Texas Tech, with their only non-conference loss being to North Carolina. Iowa alone has more quality non-conference wins than the entire Big East league.

pshreck

03-16-2005, 03:01 AM

You are ignoring him just because he said he was ignoring you. You still in kindergarden?

Dead

03-16-2005, 03:02 AM

Jeez, everyone in the country knows that the first time Illinois lost for the year was at the last game of the season, to Ohio State.

It was on ESPN for weeks and weeks. I just had a brain fart and wrote Illinois instead of Louisville.

Syracuse beat Memphis and Mississippi State, and they're planning to add a few more to their list.

There's a reason Syracuse has been ranked in the top 25 all year, and there's a reason Iowa hasn't. I know that you know what it is Clark. Same for Connecticut, Boston College, and Villanova.

Clarkmeister

03-16-2005, 03:02 AM

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This proves nothing, do you see why?

Lots of teams in the Big 10 played very easy OOC schedules, including Iowa and Minnesota.

Iowa's only big win was over Illinois.
Let me look at Minnesota's OOC now.

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The only non conference games I took into account were those against tourney teams. And the 5 tourney teams from the big ten played twice as many non conference games against tourney teams as the 6 big east tourney teams did, so who had the weak non conference schedules?

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Let's not let facts get in the way of homering for a league.

Considering that I've never once even suggested that the BT was a good league this year, I do find this thread highly amusing. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Dead

03-16-2005, 03:03 AM

It's not about kindergarten pshreck. But why bother reading someone's posts if they don't even have the courtesy to read mine?

pshreck

03-16-2005, 03:05 AM

Ok 2 things.

1. I think you are getting a little out there on some of your arguments, but so be it.

2. The posters responding to you by criticizing your intelligence are being worse than any of your posts. They have to learn how to just disagree.

MEbenhoe

03-16-2005, 03:06 AM

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There's a reason Syracuse has been ranked in the top 25 all year, and there's a reason Iowa hasn't. I know that you know what it is Clark.

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Iowa was ranked for most of the season, and then they lost Pierre Pierce, had their expected slump, and have played quite well since then.

MEbenhoe

03-16-2005, 03:08 AM

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Ok 2 things.

1. I think you are getting a little out there on some of your arguments, but so be it.

2. The posters responding to you by criticizing your intelligence are being worse than any of your posts. They have to learn how to just disagree.

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Read enough of his posts and you'll understand why, and to be fair I didnt insult his intelligence, I said he must lack knowledge of college basketball due to the ridiculous arguments he was making, however if you want to think bad of me for this as you say so be it.

Dead

03-16-2005, 03:08 AM

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2. The posters responding to you by criticizing your intelligence are being worse than any of your posts. They have to learn how to just disagree.

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What the heck do you expect though? I mean this is a message board. I guarantee you that MbEnHoe doesn't act like this in person.

But maybe I should edit that. I hope he doesn't.

bugstud

03-16-2005, 03:08 AM

for the record, Iowa dismantling Texas Tech and beating a reasonably healthy Texas seems pretty impressive to me, especially compared to the Orange's huge win over...uh, Memphis? in nonconference?

Besides, you have Cantor now, and that's probably more punishment than anyone deserves.

Dead

03-16-2005, 03:09 AM

Yeah you already said that.

Clarkmeister

03-16-2005, 03:09 AM

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Here it is again, nonconference records in parentheses

Big Ten tourney teams records against tourney teams:

Illinois 13-0 (5-0)
MSU 8-5 (4-2)
Wisconsin 6-5 (3-0)
Minnesota 2-7 (0-2)
Iowa 7-7 (5-1)

Total Conference Record: 36-24 .600 winning pct non-conf(17-5)

Big East:

UConn 5-5 (0-2)
Syracuse 5-6 (1-1)
BC 6-3 (1-0)
Nova 7-4 (3-0)
Pitt 4-6 (0-1)
WVU 7-6 (3-0)

Total Conference Record: 34-30 .531 winning pct non-conf(8-4)

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I think I'll just bump this a few more times. My favorite post ever by MEBenhoe

Clarkmeister

03-16-2005, 03:11 AM

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Besides, you have Cantor now, and that's probably more punishment than anyone deserves.

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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/lol.gif http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/lol.gif http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/lol.gif

pshreck

03-16-2005, 03:11 AM

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*** You are ignoring this user ***

First person I've ever had to do that to.

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So you just made this up then?

Dead

03-16-2005, 03:15 AM

Oops I'm stupid.

It told me that I was ignoring him and I thought he was just pasting his ignore messag to me again.

No I do have him on ignore.

I just saw what he wrote though because Clark quoted it.

Dead

03-16-2005, 03:16 AM

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Besides, you have Cantor now, and that's probably more punishment than anyone deserves.

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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/lol.gif http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/lol.gif http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/lol.gif

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I, uh, can't argue with that. Shaw was much better. You win? /images/graemlins/frown.gif

Clarkmeister

03-16-2005, 03:17 AM

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Besides, you have Cantor now, and that's probably more punishment than anyone deserves.

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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/lol.gif http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/lol.gif http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/lol.gif

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I, uh, can't argue with that. Shaw was much better. You win? /images/graemlins/frown.gif

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Check. Mate.

Clarkmeister

03-16-2005, 03:23 AM

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Here it is again, nonconference records in parentheses

Big Ten tourney teams records against tourney teams:

Illinois 13-0 (5-0)
MSU 8-5 (4-2)
Wisconsin 6-5 (3-0)
Minnesota 2-7 (0-2)
Iowa 7-7 (5-1)

Total Conference Record: 36-24 .600 winning pct non-conf(17-5)

Big East:

UConn 5-5 (0-2)
Syracuse 5-6 (1-1)
BC 6-3 (1-0)
Nova 7-4 (3-0)
Pitt 4-6 (0-1)
WVU 7-6 (3-0)

Total Conference Record: 34-30 .531 winning pct non-conf(8-4)

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I think I'll just bump this a few more times. My favorite post ever by MEBenhoe

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Just in case any of the 6 posters up right now managed to miss this post exemplifying the wonderful Big East cupcake scheduling strategy.

MEbenhoe

03-16-2005, 03:32 AM

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Here it is again, nonconference records in parentheses

Big Ten tourney teams records against tourney teams:

Illinois 13-0 (5-0)
MSU 8-5 (4-2)
Wisconsin 6-5 (3-0)
Minnesota 2-7 (0-2)
Iowa 7-7 (5-1)

Total Conference Record: 36-24 .600 winning pct non-conf(17-5)

Big East:

UConn 5-5 (0-2)
Syracuse 5-6 (1-1)
BC 6-3 (1-0)
Nova 7-4 (3-0)
Pitt 4-6 (0-1)
WVU 7-6 (3-0)

Total Conference Record: 34-30 .531 winning pct non-conf(8-4)

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I think I'll just bump this a few more times. My favorite post ever by MEBenhoe

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Just in case any of the 6 posters up right now managed to miss this post exemplifying the wonderful Big East cupcake scheduling strategy.

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HAHAHA, this is sad, in the time our rivalry needs to be at its greatest we're starting to agree with each other on things. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Dead

03-16-2005, 03:34 AM

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Besides, you have Cantor now, and that's probably more punishment than anyone deserves.

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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/lol.gif http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/lol.gif http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/lol.gif

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I, uh, can't argue with that. Shaw was much better. You win? /images/graemlins/frown.gif

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Check. Mate.

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It's like you cheated though, because you had the lady for many, many years.

Clarkmeister

03-16-2005, 03:38 AM

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HAHAHA, this is sad, in the time our rivalry needs to be at its greatest we're starting to agree with each other on things

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If our rivalry is to matter, I think we'll both be happy that our team made it that far.

Does this make you happy? Your boy wonder compared to our three starting guards (FG%):

Dee 53.8
Luther 49.4
Deron 43
JJ 41.6

MEbenhoe

03-16-2005, 03:42 AM

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HAHAHA, this is sad, in the time our rivalry needs to be at its greatest we're starting to agree with each other on things

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If our rivalry is to matter, I think we'll both be happy that our team made it that far.

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very true. IMO that'd be the most intriguing championship game of the possibilities. Duke defensively matches up very well with Illinois.

MEbenhoe

03-16-2005, 03:43 AM

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Does this make you happy? Your boy wonder compared to our three starting guards (FG%):

Dee 53.8
Luther 49.4
Deron 43
JJ 41.6

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Redick's impact on a game can't be measured by FG%, as stated in another thread, he creates so many shots for his teammates just by being on the court.

Clarkmeister

03-16-2005, 03:50 AM

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Does this make you happy? Your boy wonder compared to our three starting guards (FG%):

Dee 53.8
Luther 49.4
Deron 43
JJ 41.6

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Redick's impact on a game can't be measured by FG%, as stated in another thread, he creates so many shots for his teammates just by being on the court.

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Right. And none of the Illinois guards help the others get good looks. That's why ALL THREE were in the top 5 in assists in the Big Ten. /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

MEbenhoe

03-16-2005, 03:53 AM

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Does this make you happy? Your boy wonder compared to our three starting guards (FG%):

Dee 53.8
Luther 49.4
Deron 43
JJ 41.6

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Redick's impact on a game can't be measured by FG%, as stated in another thread, he creates so many shots for his teammates just by being on the court.

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Right. And none of the Illinois guards help the others get good looks. That's why ALL THREE were in the top 5 in assists in the Big Ten. /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

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Yes but none of them draw the attention that Redick does to the point that teams won't play help side D because they're scared of leaving Redick open. Redick just doesn't get an assist in the stat book every time Ewing drives down a wide open lane for an easy layup.

Clarkmeister

03-16-2005, 03:55 AM

I'll bet you our standard $10 that Deron Williams has a longer NBA career than JJ.

Dead

03-16-2005, 03:56 AM

I'll bet you that Hakim has a longer career than either of them.

Another beer.

Clarkmeister

03-16-2005, 03:59 AM

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I'll bet you that Hakim has a longer career than either of them.

Another beer.

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Forget beer. I want to bet money. How much?

MEbenhoe

03-16-2005, 04:00 AM

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I'll bet you our standard $10 that Deron Williams has a longer NBA career than JJ.

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I never argued that JJ would have a good NBA career, but he is as important to his team's success as any single player in the NCAA. JJ will probably be a late 1st round, early 2nd round pick and if he develops be capable of having a chris mullin or tim legler type career. If not, well not so good.

Semi related topic:

I was having a debate with my friend the other day. Since the basketball hall of fame is the basketball hall of fame and not pro basketball hall of fame, can you put christian laettner in the hall of fame based solely on him being one of the most dominant college basketball players in recent memory?

Clarkmeister

03-16-2005, 04:01 AM

Yes.

Dead

03-16-2005, 04:02 AM

No I'm not confident enough to bet money on this.

Because it's very tough to determine NBA career length. Did you think Pearl Washington was going to only last 3 years in the NBA? I sure as hell didn't.

But at least my boy Jason Hart is back for the Bobcats.

Would you bet Carmelo against Deron?

MEbenhoe

03-16-2005, 04:03 AM

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Yes.

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uh oh, we agreed again.

Clarkmeister

03-16-2005, 04:04 AM

Hey, you defined the terms. Warrick vs Deron, I don't even need nor want JJ.

Dead

03-16-2005, 04:09 AM

I did define the terms but did not agree to bet money.

I offered you a bet of the pilsner of your choice if you are correct.

Clarkmeister

03-16-2005, 04:09 AM

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Here it is again, nonconference records in parentheses

Big Ten tourney teams records against tourney teams:

Illinois 13-0 (5-0)
MSU 8-5 (4-2)
Wisconsin 6-5 (3-0)
Minnesota 2-7 (0-2)
Iowa 7-7 (5-1)

Total Conference Record: 36-24 .600 winning pct non-conf(17-5)

Big East:

UConn 5-5 (0-2)
Syracuse 5-6 (1-1)
BC 6-3 (1-0)
Nova 7-4 (3-0)
Pitt 4-6 (0-1)
WVU 7-6 (3-0)

Total Conference Record: 34-30 .531 winning pct non-conf(8-4)

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I think I'll just bump this a few more times. My favorite post ever by MEBenhoe

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Just in case any of the 6 posters up right now managed to miss this post exemplifying the wonderful Big East cupcake scheduling strategy.

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Let's get this thread back on topic. Namely, the fraud that is the Big East non conference schedule and the unearned respect the conference is getting.

MEbenhoe

03-16-2005, 04:10 AM

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Here it is again, nonconference records in parentheses

Big Ten tourney teams records against tourney teams:

Illinois 13-0 (5-0)
MSU 8-5 (4-2)
Wisconsin 6-5 (3-0)
Minnesota 2-7 (0-2)
Iowa 7-7 (5-1)

Total Conference Record: 36-24 .600 winning pct non-conf(17-5)

Big East:

UConn 5-5 (0-2)
Syracuse 5-6 (1-1)
BC 6-3 (1-0)
Nova 7-4 (3-0)
Pitt 4-6 (0-1)
WVU 7-6 (3-0)

Total Conference Record: 34-30 .531 winning pct non-conf(8-4)

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I think I'll just bump this a few more times. My favorite post ever by MEBenhoe

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Just in case any of the 6 posters up right now managed to miss this post exemplifying the wonderful Big East cupcake scheduling strategy.

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Let's get this thread back on topic. Namely, the fraud that is the Big East non conference schedule and the unearned respect the conference is getting.

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wow you are a shameless bumper

MEbenhoe

03-16-2005, 04:12 AM

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I did define the terms but did not agree to bet money.

I offered you a bet of the pilsner of your choice if you are correct.

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Damn, I need to be able to make bets with Clark for a beer. I think the world would be a better place if this was possible.

Clarkmeister

03-16-2005, 04:12 AM

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I did define the terms but did not agree to bet money.

I offered you a bet of the pilsner of your choice if you are correct.

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Damn, I need to be able to make bets with Clark for a beer. I think the world would be a better place if this was possible.

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Beer is free in Vegas. I want $$$$$$.

Dead

03-16-2005, 04:13 AM

This conference gets respect because the last two champions have come out of it.

The last time the Big Ten won one was in 2000, and before that it was 1989.

MEbenhoe

03-16-2005, 04:14 AM

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I did define the terms but did not agree to bet money.

I offered you a bet of the pilsner of your choice if you are correct.

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Damn, I need to be able to make bets with Clark for a beer. I think the world would be a better place if this was possible.

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Beer is free in Vegas. I want $$$$$$.

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Pretty sure this means i'm moving when i'm 21

Clarkmeister

03-16-2005, 04:15 AM

All that matters is this year. And this year their non conference scheduling is a fraud. So are the results. I'm starting to think I'd put the Big East around the 4th best conference.

Anyone know the non-conference records of the tourney teams against other tourney teams, listed by conference?

Dead

03-16-2005, 04:15 AM

Ah well, I guess we will have to win another one to prove the critics wrong.

Clarkmeister

03-16-2005, 04:17 AM

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Ah well, I guess we will have to win another one to prove the critics wrong.

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I'd have settled for more than two total non-conference wins against the top 25. /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Dead

03-16-2005, 04:19 AM

So if SU wins the championship this year, you're going to eat your words?

I mean a team can't go through what SU will have to go through in this tournament and not be called awesome.

First they have to face a tough Vermont team, then they have to face Michigan State, then Duke, then Kentuckyprobably, then UNC probably, and then Illinois probably.

But it's okay. No one gave the Cuse respect in 2003 either. And SU went on to beat two #1 seeds in Ok and Tx and a #2 in Kansas.

Clarkmeister

03-16-2005, 04:21 AM

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So if SU wins the championship this year, you're going to eat your words?

I mean a team can't go through what SU will have to go through in this tournament and not be called awesome.

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1-week avatar bet on best finish between Illinois and Syracuse?

MEbenhoe

03-16-2005, 04:23 AM

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So if SU wins the championship this year, you're going to eat your words?

I mean a team can't go through what SU will have to go through in this tournament and not be called awesome.

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1-week avatar bet on best finish between Illinois and Syracuse?

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Can we add this to our Illinois - Duke bet? Location should be included as well

Dead

03-16-2005, 04:23 AM

As long as it's not very profane then i think we gots a deal. Ex: lots of f**** and b****, etc.

But if it's something like Illinois pwns me then that's fine.

I don't want to get banned like someone else did.

Whoever advances farther gets to pick the other's avatar AND their location for a week. If they both get knocked out in the same round then we owe each other nothing. How's that? /images/graemlins/grin.gif Let me know if we have a deal.

Clarkmeister

03-16-2005, 04:26 AM

Deal. My standard avatar and loc for losers is currently being sported by DangerGoodson.

Dead

03-16-2005, 04:27 AM

That's not bad at all. I happen to like ponies. Ooh and it's pink too. Win-win situation for me Clark.

Clarkmeister

03-16-2005, 04:28 AM

Done. My standard avatar and loc for losers is currently being sported by DangerGoodson.

Dead

03-16-2005, 04:29 AM

Too bad you forgot something Clark. You forgot that I have no shame.

But you do.

So this bet is +EV for me. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

Clarkmeister

03-16-2005, 04:30 AM

Dead

03-16-2005, 04:32 AM

Wow that's gotta be a record amount for quoting the same thing.

Vant a cookie?

http://www.allstarz.org/~malkovich/gallery/oreo.gif

Shajen

03-16-2005, 11:57 AM

If it makes you feel better, Clark, Illinois is probably the only team besides UNC I don't want to see in the tourney as a Duke fan.

Your boys are stong. For Duke to go anywhere, 3 things need to happen:

1) stay out of foul trouble, Williams.

2) JJ manages to stay fresh.

3) some luck (like every other single team does, too. Take GT last year)

What are your keys for victory for Illinois?

Clarkmeister

03-16-2005, 12:15 PM

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I'd prefer to think of it as my "keys to not losing" since I really think any game we lose would be an upset.

1. Keep Deron Williams out of foul trouble. Dee gets the Glory but without Deron on the court this is a different team. He is hands down our best player. Him being in foul trouble may well have cost us our game against Duke in the S16 last year.

2. Don't forget to keep Augustine active and involved. He has been a beast lately and is playing with his confidence at an all-time high. Make sure to keep him involved.

3. Defend the 3. Sometimes we fall in love with half-court trapping and leave the 3 open.

That's what we need to do to not lose. We are truly unstoppable if the following things happen:

1. Deron Williams gets hot.
2. Dee gets hot.
3. We keep up our current level of defensive intensity. We have been winning by double digits despite shooting the 3pt shot at about a 30% clip the last several games. This is because of D.

7ontheline

03-16-2005, 12:16 PM

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I'll bet you our standard $10 that Deron Williams has a longer NBA career than JJ.

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I never argued that JJ would have a good NBA career, but he is as important to his team's success as any single player in the NCAA. JJ will probably be a late 1st round, early 2nd round pick and if he develops be capable of having a chris mullin or tim legler type career. If not, well not so good.

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Off topic again, but anyone who compares Tim Legler to Chris Mullin is not making a reasonable argument. Chris Mullin was a Dream Teamer - Legler had a few good years shooting the 3. Not that I really care, but any chance to contradict a Duke fan. . .

MEbenhoe

03-16-2005, 12:38 PM

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I'll bet you our standard $10 that Deron Williams has a longer NBA career than JJ.

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I never argued that JJ would have a good NBA career, but he is as important to his team's success as any single player in the NCAA. JJ will probably be a late 1st round, early 2nd round pick and if he develops be capable of having a chris mullin or tim legler type career. If not, well not so good.

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Off topic again, but anyone who compares Tim Legler to Chris Mullin is not making a reasonable argument. Chris Mullin was a Dream Teamer - Legler had a few good years shooting the 3. Not that I really care, but any chance to contradict a Duke fan. . .

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when i said chris mullin or tim legler, I meant them as two different career types. Yes I understand mullin is much better than legler. Probably just didn't make my statement clear enough.

7ontheline

03-16-2005, 12:53 PM

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when i said chris mullin or tim legler, I meant them as two different career types. Yes I understand mullin is much better than legler. Probably just didn't make my statement clear enough.

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Too bad! No after-the-fact clarifications allowed!

Clarkmeister

03-16-2005, 03:05 PM

mmbt0ne

03-16-2005, 03:16 PM

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3) some luck (like every other single team does, too. Take GT last year)

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Hey, if you're willing to have Ewing go down in the second game of the tournament, you can have GT's luck all you want. What you can't have is ice-water-in-his-veins Will Bynum coming off your bench. It's ok though, I'm sure Nelson could handle it.

Uston

03-16-2005, 03:26 PM

Illinois is probably the only team besides UNC I don't want to see in the tourney as a Duke fan.

http://www.uconnhuskies.com/pix/bko/bkc/uc032999bkc12.jpg

http://www.ithaca.edu/students/awashin1/pics/duke15.jpg

Shajen

03-16-2005, 03:49 PM

we're talking about this year, not the past bro.

Nice post though.

MEbenhoe

03-16-2005, 04:01 PM

Because I dont think enough people saw it yesterday:

http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/duke/sports/m-baskbl/banners.jpg

Dead

03-16-2005, 04:12 PM

Nice post, my Big East brother.

I happen to like these better, but I can appreciate Uconn's greatness.

http://img209.exs.cx/img209/4574/hakim8hb.jpg

http://www.scrantontimestribune.com/stories/mcnamara/other/images/FINAL_FOUR_SYRACUSE_TEXAS_NUA168_371221709042003.j pg

Will you be rooting for Cuse against Duke?

MEbenhoe

03-16-2005, 04:15 PM

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Nice post, my Big East brother.

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dude, be rivals not brothers. thats just weak

Dead

03-16-2005, 04:22 PM

I'm a lover not a fighter.

And Big East has to stick together.

I can't hate UConn. They have a good team that fights hard and never gives up, unlike Duke, where Reddick only plays hard when he feels like it. I've seen him give up in games before. You'd never see Villanueva or Boone do that. They have heart. You'd never see McNamara do it either. But Reddick doesn't give a [censored]. It's not about his team. It's about him.

Bulldog

03-16-2005, 04:52 PM

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All that matters is this year.

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You want to be the champ? You have to beat the champ. Last two from Big East.

And all that matters is not this year. All that matters is the next three weekends. 17-5 vs 8-4? Everybody is 0-0 now, and THAT is all that matters.

Clarkmeister

03-16-2005, 05:37 PM

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You want to be the champ? You have to beat the champ. Last two from Big East.

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Too bad it's likely that IL won't have to play a single Big East team on their way to the title. Does that mean that their championship won't count?

Clarkmeister

03-16-2005, 05:43 PM

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And Big East has to stick together.

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That's so, so weak. Maybe the MVC, WCC or MAC need to stick together. Not the Big East. You need to work up some nice healthy hatred for your conference rivals.

banditbdl

03-16-2005, 05:44 PM

So do you think Iowa is better than Syracuse right now or what?

Dead

03-16-2005, 05:49 PM

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So do you think Iowa is better than Syracuse right now or what?

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Hahahahhahahahahah.

Ahahahahahahahahahahahah.

Sorry. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

banditbdl

03-16-2005, 05:53 PM

Oh, I agree, Syracuse is much better in my opinion, I'm just asking the question of other posters here. I mean Newsflash Big East nonconf. schedules are a joke. They are always a joke, they probably always will be a joke, but I've seen plenty of Iowa play, and I've seen plenty of Warrick and McNamara, and Iowa has no Warrick or McNamara.

Dead

03-16-2005, 05:56 PM

Oh I know that you didn't believe it. But I'm curious to hear what MEbenhoe thinks. Strength of schedule is somewhat of an overrated statistic.

But SU not only has Hakim and McNamara, they have a decent sophomore bench and a good third guy in Pace.

I'll say it again: if Hakim and McNamara and Pace continue to do what they do, and the sophomores keep stepping up like they did last week in New York, there's not a team in the country that can beat Syracuse, except maybe Illinois. It would be a good game that's for sure.

banditbdl

03-16-2005, 05:57 PM

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Does this make you happy? Your boy wonder compared to our three starting guards (FG%):

Dee 53.8
Luther 49.4
Deron 43
JJ 41.6

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Redick's impact on a game can't be measured by FG%, as stated in another thread, he creates so many shots for his teammates just by being on the court.

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Right. And none of the Illinois guards help the others get good looks. That's why ALL THREE were in the top 5 in assists in the Big Ten.

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Yes but none of them draw the attention that Redick does to the point that teams won't play help side D because they're scared of leaving Redick open. Redick just doesn't get an assist in the stat book every time Ewing drives down a wide open lane for an easy layup.

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Freaking Augustine lead the Big 10 in FG% or was damn close and gets like 4 or 5 DUNKS a game just from standing around and watching his guy leave him open to help on the ball after William, Brown, and Head blow by somebody.

Clarkmeister

03-16-2005, 06:00 PM

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Strength of schedule is somewhat of an overrated statistic.

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Quoth he who slammed UWM despite their 24-5 mark because of their "crappy conference".

Dead

03-16-2005, 06:23 PM

When you get your ass kicked by even worse teams as well then you're going to be called awful.

Name me one bad team that SU lost to this year Clark. Can you name one? You can't.

They only lost to good teams. UConn is a good team, BC is a good team, Pitt is a good team(at least they were when we played them), and Ok State is def a good team. They only lost to good teams.

As far as I know, SU is the only team in the country that never lost to an unranked team.

SU beat all the lower Big East teams that the powerhouses had trouble with.

SU beat Villanova by 15. SU beat Notre Dame both times we faced them, and also beat a quite decent West Virginia team handily.

SU didn't lose to an unranked team this year. What's interesting is that Illinois did. /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Uston

03-16-2005, 06:34 PM

Will you be rooting for Cuse against Duke?

Whoa. Who said Duke was beating Delaware State?

Clarkmeister

03-16-2005, 06:34 PM

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They only lost to good teams

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Yeah, but they did a lot of it. /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Do you seriously want to start comparing SU and IL? I don't think you want to play this game. It'll go as badly for you as the MEBenhoe's comparison of the record of each conferences' tourney teams against other tourney teams.

Dead

03-16-2005, 06:38 PM

I never said I wanted to compare them. The only games that matter now are coming up.

I was just pointing out a flaw in looking at strength of conference. What it sounded like what was that a school is good based on the number of good teams they beat. SU is a #4 seed(should really be a 3 probably) and they didn't beat as many good teams as say Gonzaga, but I think SU could beat the Zags.

5 conference losses in the Big east out of 16 is hardly bad at all. 11-5 is not a bad record. And SU lost to 1 OOC team.

They also beat a very good Memphis team and a very good Mississippi St that was ranked like #12 in the country at the time.

Uston

03-16-2005, 06:46 PM

You need to work up some nice healthy hatred for your conference rivals.

Syracuse leaving for the ACC would have killed Big East basketball. Boeheim was against the move from day one, even alluding to a possible early retirement if Syracuse joined the ACC. For that reason alone I can root now root for them.

Since no other Big East program is a threat to challenge UConn for alpha dog status in the conference, I don't mind seeing them win. The only exception is Pittsburgh. I've hated Pittsburgh since 1999.

Dead

03-16-2005, 06:48 PM

Nice hand.

I agree completely.

I also have Syracuse facing UConn in my Final Four you know. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

Clarkmeister

03-16-2005, 07:02 PM

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Nice hand.

I agree completely.

I also have Syracuse facing UConn in my Final Four you know. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

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Wonderful. Well, you two have fun sucking each other off. I'm going to go back to rooting for a fire to burn IU and scUM to the ground.

Dead

03-16-2005, 07:10 PM

I'm still working on your avatar.

Clarkmeister

03-16-2005, 07:10 PM

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I'm still working on your avatar.

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I wouldn't bother wasting too much time on it. /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Dead

03-16-2005, 07:11 PM

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Since no other Big East program is a threat to challenge UConn for alpha dog status in the conference

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Wait maybe I don't agree completely.

Are you saying that SU is not good enough to challenge UConn for this status, or that no other team besides SU can?

Uston

03-16-2005, 07:31 PM

Every team in the Big East other than Syracuse.

Uston

03-16-2005, 07:34 PM

I'm going to go back to rooting for a fire to burn IU and scUM to the ground.

You can't possibly hate Northwestern, too, can you?

Clarkmeister

03-16-2005, 07:41 PM

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I'm going to go back to rooting for a fire to burn IU and scUM to the ground.

You can't possibly hate Northwestern, too, can you?

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I totally loathe NW. Basically, I respect MSU basketball and I'm indifferent to Penn State since they aren't a traditional BT school. Everyone else can go to hell. In particular, IU, scUM, UW and Iowa.

Uston

03-16-2005, 07:48 PM

I totally loathe NW.

Jesus, do you root against Special Olympians, too?

J.R.

03-16-2005, 07:58 PM

apparently you never been serenaded by highly orginal crap like:

"that's alright,
that's ok,
you'll work for us someday "

the NU students help fuel the hate

MEbenhoe

03-16-2005, 08:30 PM

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Oh I know that you didn't believe it. But I'm curious to hear what MEbenhoe thinks. Strength of schedule is somewhat of an overrated statistic.

But SU not only has Hakim and McNamara, they have a decent sophomore bench and a good third guy in Pace.

I'll say it again: if Hakim and McNamara and Pace continue to do what they do, and the sophomores keep stepping up like they did last week in New York, there's not a team in the country that can beat Syracuse, except maybe Illinois. It would be a good game that's for sure.

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To the first part, I never said Iowa was better than the Cuse.

To the second part, so basically you're saying if McNamara, Warrick, and Pace are all at the top of their games and their bench plays awesome, no team in the country can beat them? Wow, bold statement. You can say that about any top team as well. Here I'll show you:

If Reddick, Ewing, and Williams are all playing at their best, along with Dockery returning (which is so key for Duke btw), and Duke's other main players like Randolph, Melchionni, and Nelson step up, there isn't a team in the country that can beat Duke.

J.R.

03-16-2005, 08:40 PM

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If Reddick, Ewing, and Williams are all playing at their best, along with Dockery returning (which is so key for Duke btw), and Duke's other main players like Randolph, Melchionni, and Nelson step up, there isn't a team in the country that can beat Duke.

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I'll say it again: if Hakim and McNamara and Pace continue to do what they do, and the sophomores keep stepping up like they did last week in New York, there's not a team in the country that can beat Syracuse, except maybe Illinois. It would be a good game that's for sure.

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do you guys really think UNC isn't the most talented team in the country? I guess its obvious you don't? They rarely all show up, but if they did...

MEbenhoe

03-16-2005, 08:43 PM

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If Reddick, Ewing, and Williams are all playing at their best, along with Dockery returning (which is so key for Duke btw), and Duke's other main players like Randolph, Melchionni, and Nelson step up, there isn't a team in the country that can beat Duke.

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I'll say it again: if Hakim and McNamara and Pace continue to do what they do, and the sophomores keep stepping up like they did last week in New York, there's not a team in the country that can beat Syracuse, except maybe Illinois. It would be a good game that's for sure.

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do you guys really think UNC isn't the most talented team in the country? I guess its obvious you don't? They rarely all show up, but if they did...

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no no you misunderstood. I was saying it to make the point that any top team who is playing basically perfect basketball is impossible to beat. Thus his original statement means little.

J.R.

03-16-2005, 08:49 PM

unless they run into another top team who is more talented and playing equally as well, e.g. UNC, assuming UNC could ever play a perfect game.

MEbenhoe

03-16-2005, 08:52 PM

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unless they run into another top team who is more talented and playing equally as well, e.g. UNC, assuming UNC could ever play a perfect game.

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Duke's best possible game > UNC's best possible game

because Duke has the ability to put a better overall team game together than UNC does. Sorry, but UNC just has too many possible problems, not to mention Roy Williams is an awful big game coach.

J.R.

03-16-2005, 08:55 PM

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assuming UNC could ever play a perfect game.

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MEbenhoe

03-16-2005, 08:56 PM

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assuming UNC could ever play a perfect game.

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good point

Dead

03-16-2005, 11:00 PM

Here's the difference. SU IS playing almost perfect basketball and the other teams that you listed aren't.

MEbenhoe

03-16-2005, 11:04 PM

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Here's the difference. SU IS playing almost perfect basketball

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No matter how much you want to dream, SU will not win the championship this year.

Dead

03-16-2005, 11:07 PM

I'll make an avatar and location bet with you.

If Syracuse goes farther than Duke then I pick your avatar and location for a week.

If Duke goes farther than Syracuse then you pick my avatar and location for a week.

If they both get knocked out in the same round then obviously nothing happens, but they'll likely meet in the Sweet 16.

Nothing that would get either of us banned, as I said in my deal with Clark.

If I lose both the bets then I will do Clark's for a week and then yours for a week.

Is it a deal?

MEbenhoe

03-16-2005, 11:08 PM

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I'll make an avatar bet with you.

If Syracuse goes farther than Duke then I pick your avatar and location for a week.

If Duke goes farther than Syracuse then you pick my avatar and location for a week.

Nothing that would get either of us banned, as I said in my deal with Clark.

If I lose both the bets then I will do Clark's for a week and then yours for a week.

Is it a deal?

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meh I already have the avatar bet with Clark, and thats only on top of a money bet.

Dead

03-16-2005, 11:09 PM

Then stop talking smack if you won't back it up with an avatar/location bet.

It would be afterward.

If you think Duke is so good then you'll have no problem making the bet. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

MEbenhoe

03-16-2005, 11:10 PM

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Then stop talking smack if you won't back it up with an avatar/location bet.

It would be afterward.

If you think Duke is so good then you'll have no problem making the bet. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

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What odds would you want on an SU to win the NC bet? Cuz I'd be willing to give pretty liberal odds on that.

Dead

03-16-2005, 11:11 PM

I already have a bet down on that. Why would I make one with you when I already have one with Pinnacle at 28 to 1. And Pinnacle is guaranteed to pay me, and I don't even know you that well, and certainly don't trust you enough to make good on a money bet. /images/graemlins/crazy.gif

Let's just do the avatar/location.

My team against your team. Just like with Clark.

MEbenhoe

03-16-2005, 11:13 PM

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Let's just do the avatar/location.

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Lets wait to see if Cuse actually makes it to the sweet 16 first. I only wanna make the bet if my Duke team gets a chance to knock them off.

Dead

03-16-2005, 11:15 PM

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Let's just do the avatar/location.

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Lets wait to see if Cuse actually makes it to the sweet 16 first. I only wanna make the bet if my Duke team gets a chance to knock them off.

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I don't get the point of waiting

The only way that you could lose this bet before they meet would be if Duke were to get knocked off in the second round and Syracuse wins(or if the unthinkable happens and Duke loses in the first round) Do you really think that Miss State or Stanford will knock off Duke in NC? /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Just make the bet. If SU sucks as much as you think they do and it's even money(or even avatars/locations I guess) for you, then it should be an easy bet.

MEbenhoe

03-16-2005, 11:16 PM

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Let's just do the avatar/location.

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Lets wait to see if Cuse actually makes it to the sweet 16 first. I only wanna make the bet if my Duke team gets a chance to knock them off.

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I don't get the point of waiting

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no no, I'm actually being nice for your benefit. I honestly don't have Cuse making the sweet 16, and if they don't I won't add insult to your injury.

I would be utterly shocked if Duke lost in the first 2 rounds.

Dead

03-16-2005, 11:17 PM

I don't care about my benefit. I already made a bet with Clark for the avatar because I liked the idea. The tournament hasn't started and neither Illinois nor Syracuse has played a game yet.

So come on, make the bet.

I want to get this locked in before the tournament starts tomorrow and we start to see other teams in other areas playing.

MEbenhoe

03-16-2005, 11:19 PM

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I don't care about my benefit. I already made a bet with Clark for the avatar because I liked the idea. The tournament hasn't started and neither Illinois nor Syracuse has played a game yet.

So come on, make the bet.

I want to get this locked in before the tournament starts tomorrow and we start to see other teams in other areas playing.

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why are you in such a rush to lock it in?

Dead

03-16-2005, 11:20 PM

Because I have inside information that other teams will fall and let Syracuse win it.

Just kidding.

But I'm a doer. I like to do things right away once I get the idea. This isn't some kind of trick. You and Clark both seem to be convinced that SU is a shitty team.

So let's make a deal budday. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

Come on, Duke has won 3 national championships. You keep posting that picture.

I think I know why you won't do it. Because your team has a lot more to lose than mine. I can't remember the last time Duke lost in the Sweet 16.

MEbenhoe

03-16-2005, 11:25 PM

fine, lock it in, but this isn't gonna be any fun for me if Vermont or MSU knocks Cuse off. You may think there's no chance of that happening, but Vermont is as tough of a 13 seed as I've seen in awhile, and MSU is a pretty solid team.

Dead

03-16-2005, 11:26 PM

Ok we have a deal then.

I know SU has a tough road, but to be honest the reason I wanted to lock it in was that I like having bets like this done before the tourney starts. Why? Because let's say Duke beats the 16 seed but then really struggles against Stanford/Ms State. Let's say they pull out a buzzer beater in overtime while Syracuse beats Michigan State by 15. You'll be less inclined to make the bet.

So I wanted to lock it in before we see any of the tourney action.

MEbenhoe

03-16-2005, 11:31 PM

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Why? Because let's say Duke beats the 16 seed but then really struggles against Stanford/Ms State.

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Speaking of which, I hope one of my stats doesnt come back to bite me, but in the past 5 years, #1 seeds that won their 2nd round games by single digits are 0-6 on making the final four, while those winning by double digits are 7-2. /images/graemlins/blush.gif

Dead

03-16-2005, 11:32 PM

I don't think Duke can beat Stanford by double digits. Duke is a longshot to win the whole thing this year, just like Syracuse.

They're runinng anywhere from 10 to 1 to 12 to 1.

MEbenhoe

03-16-2005, 11:35 PM

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I don't think Duke can beat Stanford by double digits. Duke is a longshot to win the whole thing this year, just like Syracuse.

They're runinng anywhere from 10 to 1 to 12 to 1.

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I think Duke is capable of a lot of things people aren't giving credit to them for because Dockery is coming back. For those of you who haven't watched Duke all year, Dockery, while not even close to being their best player, is possibly the most important to Duke's success.

Dead

03-16-2005, 11:45 PM

Dockery, Dockery, why does that name sound so familiar to me? I seem to remember a Dockery from a few months back... refresh my memory?

Wait, I think I'm remembering now...

http://www.ithaca.edu/students/awashin1/pics/duke15.jpg

MEbenhoe

03-16-2005, 11:50 PM

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Dockery, Dockery, why does that name sound so familiar to me? I seem to remember a Dockery from a few months back... refresh my memory?

Wait, I think I'm remembering now...

http://www.ithaca.edu/students/awashin1/pics/duke15.jpg

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Sorry, I forgot Warrick, McNamara, and Pace had never been blocked before.

Also the Dockery of this year is vastly improved over the Dockery of last year.

Dead

03-16-2005, 11:57 PM

McNamara doesn't get blocked much at all, because he almost never goes inside like Dockery does.

Warrick gets blocked some but not as much as you think.

I've rarely seen Pace get blocked. Mostly he just runs into the paint and lays up that 12 foot floater.

MEbenhoe

03-17-2005, 12:11 AM

but the point is they've all been blocked, showing a picture of a duke player getting blocked means nothing. Getting blocked doesnt make you a bad player.

Dead

03-17-2005, 12:39 AM

No but it's still a funny picture.

Show me a funny picture of a Syracuse player getting blocked.

Clarkmeister

03-17-2005, 12:42 AM

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No but it's still a funny picture.

Show me a funny picture of a Syracuse player getting blocked.

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http://www.hokiesports.com/SIPhotos/fb2003/images/syracuse/D.Fuller.BLOCK.jpg

Dead

03-17-2005, 12:45 AM

Ok I admit that is funny.

Where would you place Warrick on your list of top players in the nation?

And do you think GMac will be drafted?

MEbenhoe

03-17-2005, 12:49 AM

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No but it's still a funny picture.

Show me a funny picture of a Syracuse player getting blocked.

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http://www.hokiesports.com/SIPhotos/fb2003/images/syracuse/D.Fuller.BLOCK.jpg

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damn it, i was just about to post that, way to steal my joke /images/graemlins/mad.gif

Dead

03-17-2005, 12:50 AM

Two mice fighting over the same piece of cheese.

MEbenhoe

03-17-2005, 12:55 AM

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No but it's still a funny picture.

Show me a funny picture of a Syracuse player getting blocked.

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because i cant let it die

http://www.fiusports.com/images/volleyball/2003/jenni_syracuse.jpg

Clarkmeister

03-17-2005, 12:57 AM

/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Dead

03-17-2005, 01:01 AM

http://img77.exs.cx/img77/6898/bunny29dk.jpg

Clarkmeister

03-21-2005, 03:48 PM

PhatTBoll

03-21-2005, 03:52 PM

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Here it is again, nonconference records in parentheses

Big Ten tourney teams records against tourney teams:

Illinois 13-0 (5-0)
MSU 8-5 (4-2)
Wisconsin 6-5 (3-0)
Minnesota 2-7 (0-2)
Iowa 7-7 (5-1)

Total Conference Record: 36-24 .600 winning pct non-conf(17-5)

Big East:

UConn 5-5 (0-2)
Syracuse 5-6 (1-1)
BC 6-3 (1-0)
Nova 7-4 (3-0)
Pitt 4-6 (0-1)
WVU 7-6 (3-0)

Total Conference Record: 34-30 .531 winning pct non-conf(8-4)

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I think I'll just bump this a few more times. My favorite post ever by MEBenhoe

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Just in case any of the 6 posters up right now managed to miss this post exemplifying the wonderful Big East cupcake scheduling strategy.

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Let's get this thread back on topic. Namely, the fraud that is the Big East non conference schedule and the unearned respect the conference is getting.

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What's so funny is that while I never intended for this thread to suggest that the Big Ten was a better league than the Big East this year, both MEBenhoe's stats and the tournament performance by both leagues seem to indicate that maybe the Big Ten was, in fact, the better league this year.

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I think it's debatable. However, as a big ten fan, I have to admit that the bottom of the barrel for the big east is significantly stronger than that of the big ten.