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Creeper_thp
03-15-2005, 08:13 PM
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

UTG+1 (t420)
MP1 (t2445)
MP2 (t680)
CO (t1210)
Button (t890)
Hero (t785)
BB (t800)
UTG (t770)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls t15, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls t15, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t80</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls t65, Button folds.

Flop: (t190) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t100</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to t200</font>, Hero calls t100.

Turn: (t590) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t250</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to t2165 (All-In)</font>, Hero calls t255 (All-In).

River: (t3260) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t3260

Ok, so the min-raise on the flop means he has something. The only thing I could think of that would make him min-raise like that was a straight, even though I couldn't understand why he would have called PF. I guess 9T is kind of believable from a big stack. But who knows, and I think that was ok there. But I'm kind of mystified over what to do on the turn. At that point I'm at about 500 chips, and I don't think he's going to let me take a free card, would it be best to just commit myself here? Thoughts on this, or any other street welcome.
curtains
03-15-2005, 08:19 PM
I would move allin on the flop after the min raise.
lastchance
03-15-2005, 08:21 PM
On the flop, I like check-raising all-in. I'd probably push over the top of his raise if he makes it. Considering your flop play, I push.
Creeper_thp
03-15-2005, 08:22 PM
Any particular reasoning behind pushing?
raptor517
03-15-2005, 08:29 PM
in a 10+1, you are probably pretty likely to see 99 right there. even something like 1010 or JJ. to that you have 15 outs. pretty strong. push after he min raises. even if he did flop a str, u still have 9 outs. holla
citanul
03-15-2005, 08:29 PM
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I would move allin on the flop after the min raise.

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lastchance
03-15-2005, 08:34 PM
Because having to call all of your chips AK flush draw sucks, and you pretty much have to do it. Getting it all-in yourself is a semibluff move, allowing you to have two ways to win the pot, either making the best hand or getting the other guy to fold.
Elektrik
03-15-2005, 08:34 PM
nut flush draw + 6 overpair outs (maybe 3) + folding equity makes this a pretty standard push on the flop to the min raise.

I like betting out too.
BradleyT
03-15-2005, 09:02 PM
Which did he have 6's, 7's, or 8's?
Creeper_thp
03-15-2005, 09:08 PM
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Which did he have 6's, 7's, or 8's?

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He had 4s 5s.
johnnybeef
03-15-2005, 10:32 PM
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even though I couldn't understand why he would have called PF

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welcome to the tens where suited connectors are as good as aces, where it is +EV to to come over top of someone with a suited king "because it is sooooted!", where there are more fish than the pacific ocean and the 5 great lakes combined....in all seriousnous take a few of your tournament summaries and see for your self with this (http://teamfu.freeshell.org/replayer.html) what your opponents at the 11s are willing to call a preflop raise with, you will be shocked.
colehard
03-15-2005, 10:53 PM
It seems that MP1's biggest mistake was limping. Calling 65 into a 110 pot gives him good pot odds against, say, AK since he is better than 60/40. The implied odds are much better if he actually hits. I understand that this assumes he gets to the river but don't the implied odds account for that?

Or am i missing something - i usually am?