Villian says to me after hand - "classic sshe"

[littlejohn]

I'm a bit puzzled as to what part of SSHE he's referring to. The preflop call? The flop checkraise? Me calling him down? Can anyone see what I'm missing? I left the results in so that you can help me interpret his comment.

When I was in this hand villian was at 18/7/7.0 after about 100 hands.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif. CO posts a blind of $4.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (9.66 SB) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, 3/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, MP1 calls, BB calls.

Turn: (9.33 BB) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP1 folds, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Hero calls.

On the turn CR I figure I'm done to a BB 8 - but decide to call down after seeing that his AF is 7.0.

River: (13.33 BB) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 15.33 BB

Results:
BB has Qs 8s (three of a kind, eights).
Hero has 9d 9c (two pair, nines and eights).
Outcome: BB wins 15.33 BB. </font>

[JoshuaD]

He played his hand well. So did you.

I don't know why he's talking about SSH at the table though.

[Entity]

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He played his hand well. So did you.

I don't know why he's talking about SSH at the table though.

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I'm not sure I care much for his flop checkraise.

Rob

[Shillx]

He played his hand well.

Meh his flop play is piss poor imo. He could have done much better just by betting the flop. I can't see the point of buliding a pot with just Q8 in that spot.

Brad

[JoshuaD]

You both looked at the hand way more than I did. I mean seriously guys, what good is this forum if we can't give half cocked advice?

(I didn't noticed he checkraised, thought he just raised).

[me454555]

I've been starting to reevaluate my play w/Big pairs lately when I meet resistance. The 3 bet on the flop screams big pair so when you get checkraise, is there any point in calling down?

[littlejohn]

I was thinking exactly what you were. This is a situation where PT stats made me think that just maybe he was putting a play on me in a big pot (which has been mentioned before about using stats and not observing enough).

So can anyone find the "classic sshe" part of this hand?

[rmarotti]

Maybe he was just calling you a fish.

[Schizo]

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I mean seriously guys, what good is this forum if we can't give half cocked advice?

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If you want that then you should spend your time in politics and OOT.

[gaming_mouse]

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He played his hand well.

Meh his flop play is piss poor imo. He could have done much better just by betting the flop. I can't see the point of buliding a pot with just Q8 in that spot.

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Brad,

Can you explain this further? I don't see why his c/r is so bad. For example, he gets an extra SB when overcards miss both big streets, and from flush draws (a smaller point).

How does building a big pot come into it?

[Trix]

His flop CR is ok if he doesn´t think you will raise overcards as he can´t protect his hand by betting then.

[RatFink]

I've seen similar comments when 99 is raised early-mid.

[casinogosain]

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He played his hand well.

Meh his flop play is piss poor imo. He could have done much better just by betting the flop. I can't see the point of buliding a pot with just Q8 in that spot.

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Brad,

Can you explain this further? I don't see why his c/r is so bad. For example, he gets an extra SB when overcards miss both big streets, and from flush draws (a smaller point).

How does building a big pot come into it?

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Instead of 99, say Hero had AK. If Villain leads this flop, then Hero should raise, allowing Villain to 3-bet. (This assumes that Villain thinks all Hero has is two overcards)

I think the calldown is reasonable.

-Ash

[ckessel]

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His flop CR is ok if he doesn´t think you will raise overcards as he can´t protect his hand by betting then.

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Question, since a couple people mentioned it. Why raise with only overcards? Seems like you're throwing away a bet as you're on a weak draw at that point. Now, in late position I could see it as an attempt to get a free card on the turn, but from early position it seems like this raise is either going to a) blow away the field and be left HU with somene you're sure your behind to and don't have odds to draw on, or even worse b) get cold callers who you're quite possibly reverse dominated by or have draws that counterfeit some of your draws.

Can someone explain why raising from early position on the flop with overcards makes sense?

[meep_42]

Maybe he's referring to calling with Q8s from the BB?

-d

[Subfallen]

Yeah, seems to me he's doing the opposite of what SSHE advises with his flop CR. Correct IMO is to bet out and hope you raise to thin the field. Weird.

[adamstewart]

If villain specifically said "SSHE", then he's probably a 2+2'er....


....and a moron for even mentioning it at the table.



Adam

[Kurwood Derby]

It means that you got real aggro with a marginal hand and spewed some chips in his direction. "Classic SSHE"!

[Stefan Prodan]

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His flop CR is ok if he doesn´t think you will raise overcards as he can´t protect his hand by betting then.

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Question, since a couple people mentioned it. Why raise with only overcards? Seems like you're throwing away a bet as you're on a weak draw at that point. Now, in late position I could see it as an attempt to get a free card on the turn, but from early position it seems like this raise is either going to a) blow away the field and be left HU with somene you're sure your behind to and don't have odds to draw on, or even worse b) get cold callers who you're quite possibly reverse dominated by or have draws that counterfeit some of your draws.

Can someone explain why raising from early position on the flop with overcards makes sense?

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To buy outs from people with things like 4A.

[jt1]

Does anyone consider just calling BB's cr and then raising his turn bet? IMO, MP1 will most likely call a flop 3 bet with overcards, and would call a flush draw on the turn.

[me454555]

W/the flushdraw on the board, there is no guarantee he will bet again on the turn. I like this flop 3 bet a lot but I think you can toss it to the turn c/r

[JerseyTom]

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I'm a bit puzzled as to what part of SSHE he's referring to. The preflop call? The flop checkraise? Me calling him down? Can anyone see what I'm missing?

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The chapter on playing the flop like a complete donk, only to be saved by spiking trips on the turn?

I like your line overall; I despise his flop line. If he's any sort of thinker, he needs to just bet out the flop in hopes that you'll raise to help thin the field. C/R'ing is just building a pot with a marginal hand that may well be behind.


Tom

[vulturesrow]

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It means that you got real aggro with a marginal hand and spewed some chips in his direction. "Classic SSHE"!

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[gvibes]

I agree with all the others. Villain should have led the flop.

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I've been starting to reevaluate my play w/Big pairs lately when I meet resistance. The 3 bet on the flop screams big pair so when you get checkraise, is there any point in calling down?

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I don't think a turn fold is horrible here, but I don't think I'm good enough to fold this. I think a call-down is definitely in order if Hero had something like JJ, as villain would play 99 and TT pretty much the same way.

[jskills]

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He played his hand well.

Meh his flop play is piss poor imo. He could have done much better just by betting the flop. I can't see the point of buliding a pot with just Q8 in that spot.

Brad

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I agree. What does Mr. Classic SSHE do when he doesn't hit that 8 on the turn?

[jskills]

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He played his hand well.

Meh his flop play is piss poor imo. He could have done much better just by betting the flop. I can't see the point of buliding a pot with just Q8 in that spot.

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Brad,

Can you explain this further? I don't see why his c/r is so bad. For example, he gets an extra SB when overcards miss both big streets, and from flush draws (a smaller point).

How does building a big pot come into it?

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Building a pot comes into it since it's not heads up, and someone else already called villan's bet. So you're getting two people to come along with you when you C/R on the flop. If hero was in late position, and didn't reaise preflop, I could see attempting a C/R in villan's shoes to isolate a potential steal move. But BB should just bet right out with top pair on the flop.

[ZootMurph]

Just out of curiosity, littlejohn... did you ASK what he meant?

Seems to me he's talking about his play, not yours. But without asking him you can't be sure.