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NYplayer
03-15-2005, 08:18 AM
i'm never quite sure how to play these rivers out of position. MP2 is a 38/20/1.5

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, MP2 calls, BB calls.

Flop: (12.66 SB) Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises</font>, BB folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (8.33 BB) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP2 calls.

River: (10.33 BB) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

What's my action?
TStoneMBD
03-15-2005, 08:23 AM
check-call.
antifish225
03-15-2005, 09:24 AM
Happens all the time - you need to check call it down.....offline if you are playing against someone who is known, and knows you (and you have a tight table image) betting out will also work sometimes (I do this occasionally if I know the opponent will fold a weak heart and only raise with the 1-3rd nut flush).....online no comments...
jediael
03-16-2005, 02:22 AM
Whenever you are ...

heads-up
out of position
and a 4th flush card comes on the river

then bet and fold to a raise.
TStoneMBD
03-16-2005, 02:33 AM
not when you have such strong showdown value and you cant get a smaller heart to fold. people dont fold small flushes online. against these types this is an easy check-call.
Chris Daddy Cool
03-16-2005, 02:49 AM
bet-call is better than bet-fold.
jfunk
03-16-2005, 03:46 AM
Not that I advocate it, but I'd like to know what people think about check-raising the river for fold equity.
edtost
03-16-2005, 01:09 PM
easy bet. you really think sets/2 pair/etc are folding? or betting if you check?
TStoneMBD
03-16-2005, 01:14 PM
according to that logic you might be right. i really didnt think that sets or 2pair would call at this point. if they do then betting is correct as long as they call with 2pair/set more often than they bluffraise.
MaxPower
03-16-2005, 01:22 PM
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not when you have such strong showdown value and you cant get a smaller heart to fold. people dont fold small flushes online. against these types this is an easy check-call.

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The only time I would check is if my opponent is a habitual bluffer or if he were so passive that he would not value bet anything but the nuts.

Against most players, betting is correct since you are a bigger favorite when you bet and are called than when you check and call.