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matix

03-14-2005, 10:56 PM

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG calls, Hero calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, 1 fold, CO calls, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (8 SB) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif (8 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets, Hero raises, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB calls, BB folds, UTG calls.

Turn: (7 BB) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
SB checks, UTG bets, Hero calls, SB calls $0.25 (All-In).

River: (9.25 BB) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players, 1 all-in)
UTG bets, Hero raises, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 13.25 BB

was this OK to chase down? and was it bad to try to isolate me and the bettor, when i played it i just didnt want any more hearts to play since i didn't have nuts yet...but after i hit it i thought it would have been real nice to have more cash coming my way /images/graemlins/frown.gif oh well

bad news first please
thanks

deepsquat

03-15-2005, 02:33 AM

I would have just called the flop bet for 2 reasons:

1) You are drawing to the nut flush, you want ppl to pay you off

2) You could be up against ppl with made flushes already who may 3 bet and cap this flop, im not sure whether that is -EV for you or not.

Call the flop and Call the turn the go troppo on the river with ppl paying you off.

Man this could have been a huge pot for you, your flop raise caused 6 players to fold.

UncleSalty

03-15-2005, 02:41 AM

With the equity you have in this pot, I think your goal is to get as much money in on the flop as possible. Raising this early scares people off, so check/raise is probably a better option.

The turn call is fine, you have more than enough pot odds.

milesdyson

03-15-2005, 02:46 AM

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Raising this early scares people off, so check/raise is probably a better option.

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Hero acts immediately after a bet, so check raising is not an option.

I lean toward calling this flop.

emitch

03-15-2005, 02:47 AM

You only need between 4:1 and 5:1 to chase this flush (not to mention that your overcards may spike and be good if the heart didn't fall). I would have only called to try to get more people in. You shouldn't care about other hearts. Either they have the flush and they won't quit or they are drawing to it. Hopefully the Kh or Qh is out and he hits it too. Think of the bets possibly missed in that scenario.

$0.02

Dead

03-15-2005, 03:12 AM

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your flop raise caused 6 players to fold.

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It caused 5 players to fold, not 6.

bottomset

03-15-2005, 03:14 AM

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your flop raise caused 6 players to fold.

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It caused 5 players to fold, not 6.

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same thing, and bad effect

Dead

03-15-2005, 03:15 AM

Yes I agree, but SB was still in the hand. I also like going for overcalls on this flop.

milesdyson

03-15-2005, 03:16 AM

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your flop raise caused 6 players to fold.

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It caused 5 players to fold, not 6.

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All of this thinking is results oriented, anyway. In this specific hand, yes, people folded to Hero's flop raise. Sometimes he will get 4 coldcallers, sometimes he'll win the pot right there, sometimes he'll call one bet and everyone will still fold.

Dead

03-15-2005, 03:17 AM

I know that, but with the 3-suited flop Hero has less deception value to begin with. When the fourth heart hits the river he will rarely get lots of action from people that don't have a heart in their hand.

So I like calling the flop because Hero has crappy position relative to the bettor.

UncleSalty

03-15-2005, 03:24 AM

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Raising this early scares people off, so check/raise is probably a better option.

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Hero acts immediately after a bet, so check raising is not an option.

I lean toward calling this flop.

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Sorry, I missed the first bet.... /images/graemlins/blush.gif

Me=Stoopid

matix

03-15-2005, 03:44 AM

no, me = stupid

thanks for your thoughts guys, i think if i would have done a little more thinking before acting in the hand I would have done it the more profitable way.

matix

03-15-2005, 04:53 AM

this one wasn't quite the same situation but it felt a little better bringing in 5 more bb's

was my betting over agressive at all? anything i should change? did i squeeze all the bets out of this hand that i possibly could?

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Preflop: Hero is CO with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif.
2 folds, MP1 calls, 1 fold, MP3 calls, Hero calls, Button raises, 1 fold, BB calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif (5 players)
BB checks, MP1 checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets, Button raises, BB folds, MP1 3-bets, MP3 folds, Hero caps, Button calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (11.25 BB) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets, Button calls, MP1 calls.

River: (14.25 BB) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
MP1 bets, Hero raises, Button folds, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 18.25 BB

thanks

deepsquat

03-15-2005, 05:05 AM

Prob wouldnt have capped the flop with only 2 others in the pot but apart from that well played.

matix

03-15-2005, 05:24 AM

i probably wouldn't have, except those two raised and reraised after me so i figured they'd call, and i was pretty determined to get all the cash i could into the pot and make my flush /images/graemlins/smile.gif

deepsquat

03-15-2005, 05:25 AM

yeah button prob would have capped 4 u anyway.