how do you keep track of all your accounts?

[The4Aces]

How do you all keep track of all your accounts? I was thinking about getting MS money but was wondering wht everyone else does.

[Reef]

notepad (on computer)

[cgwahl]

I just made myself a simple spreadsheet (since at the time I only had MS Works; now I have Open Office so I can do more with the spreadsheet) that keeps track of my Earns/Losses for the day. With another column that adds up the week and a final column that adds up the month. And at the top it shows the total winnings so far.

However, I only play at one site and am currently just playing the microlimits so I don't care too much about time involved at each table/session right now...although for all that data I'll just look at the poker tracker tab for sessions for the time being.
But once I do play multiple sites I will create another spreadsheet like this one. And once I get to the higher limit tables I may change or tweak it for sessions and whatnot...

[beernutz]

Excel
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[mmbt0ne]

Nothing. All I track is daily win/loss for when tax time rolls around.

[goofball]

excel

[grouchie]

poker tracker tracks all my accounts for me
no need for a seperate account tracking spreadsheet or anything.

[Piers]

I use MSMoney.

[Yeknom58]

Sine I only use neteller, I don't really have a problem as all the money is leaving and coming to one place.

[lorinda]

Pro Poker? /images/graemlins/shocked.gif

Lori

[AcmeSalesRep]

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Sine I only use neteller, I don't really have a problem as all the money is leaving and coming to one place.

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You have a problem if the IRS ever audits your return...

[beernutz]

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Pro Poker? /images/graemlins/shocked.gif

Lori

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LOL, you noticed! Yeah, I put in $75 back in July 2002 when they were offering huge bonuses and lost the buy-in plus the bonuses in a series of massive, and to-my-eye suspicious, suckouts over a couple of days. That is one of only two sites I've lost at with Planet being the other. Here is what I have in my Excel worksheet for ProPoker, written immediately after busting out. It will be interesting to see how much the censor allows.

"DO NOT EVER EVER EVER [censored] EVER BUY INTO THIS SITE AGAIN!!

I SAID [censored] EVER YOU MORON, DON'T EVEN CONSIDER IT!"

[Reef]

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no need for a seperate account tracking spreadsheet or anything.

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you must not do any casino whoring

[AncientPC]

Excel spreadsheet.

[mcb]

Excel

[flair1239]

I use a little calendar notebook to record daily account balances and number of hands played.

I transfer the info to an Excel spreadsheet so I can make pretty graphs when I am bored.

I also use pokertracker, but I consider my notebook more reliable.

[bconway6]

Remember to find a way to protect your excel files though if theres detailed account Info in it.

[barongreenback]

PT for day to day results. Monthly summaries in an Excel spreadsheet.

[FMMonty]

anyone got a copy they are willing to hand out of a good spreadsheet that covers all this?

[Soleo]

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I use MSMoney.

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Me too. Piers let me ask what kind of accounts you use to represent poker bankrolls? I tried both Investment and Asset but there are some inconveniences when applied to poker winnings/losses. How you account it?

[Piers]

Current Bank account.

I actually set most of it up in Quicken, and then when they told me that they were stopping supporting Quicken in the UK at the end of the year I switched to MSMoney and imported my Quicken database.

[Soleo]

Thank you for your reply. I very appreciate it because you are first person I know except myself who use MS Money or Quicken for poker accounting. I was always interested what is other people's approach to do it there.

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Current Bank account.

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So this likely means that you enter winnings/losses simply as income/expenses. OK, may be you're right - overall net worth will be OK this way. But I don't like the thing that my reports include HUGE amounts of losses by the end of period /images/graemlins/smile.gif I know that [winnings]+[losses]=[my nice profits] but anyway.
I tried to avoid this using Investment account. I made an Investment named like "Party Bankroll", bought 1 and then updated its current value periodically. This way I avoided seeing transactions of win/losses in most reports but implementing cash-outs became real pain - I found some ways like paying dividents/etc but then gived up. Now I use Asset type of account which is actually the same as Current bank account and got used to see poker losses in reports.
I update poker accounts balances monthly according to my PT records.

[n96radsb]

statking is king

[Hank Rearden]

I love the idea of using Microsoft Money. I have been a Quicken user for many years but Money came free with my PC. By using Money I can keep my poker stuff seperate from Quicken. I've been using Excel but have found my spreadsheet somewhat of a PITA!!

However, I can see the benefit of using Money. Set up an account for each site including Neteller. Your income Categories would be Winnings and another for Bonuses. Your primary expense Category would be Losses. All you would need to do after each session would be to update your balance. A positive figure would be winnings obviously. A negative figure would be losses. Allocate the bonuses as they are earned and you're golden.

Transferring to and from Neteller is a snap!!

Plus, for those that want to keep it honest and report to the IRS, Money would provide the exact reports you would need as long as you updated your balances after each session.

I love this idea and I think I'm going to give it a shot.

[Soleo]

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Your income Categories would be Winnings and another for Bonuses. Your primary expense Category would be Losses.

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You may enter negative incomes as well, so name income category as Poker and enter both winnings and losses there as negative or as positive values.
But I don't like the idea of updating it daily /images/graemlins/smile.gif I do it once per month because I use it mainly to know my net worth and to record deposit/withdrawal transactions. All my detailed daily stats are already present at PokerTracker so there is no reason for me to enter them to MS Money. But this is me - you may have your own reasons to do it more frequently.

[Hank Rearden]

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All my detailed daily stats are already present at PokerTracker so there is no reason for me to enter them to MS Money. But this is me - you may have your own reasons to do it more frequently.

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I find PT very unreliable. I use it but don't rely a whole lot on the $ figures. I get errors almost every time I import hand histories. The other day I played my first $5-$10 hands and won a few bucks but after importing to PT it showed a loss.

Plus not all sites are supported by PT. Then there's the casinos and casino bonuses I do on occassion. I set up all my poker/casino accounts and Neteller on Money last night and so far I think I like it.

The reason I will list losses as an expense rather than a negative income figure is for reporting purposes. It makes too much sense to just provide a net figure for tax purposes but the IRS wants to see all of the sessions detailed seperately!! Those bastards!! /images/graemlins/grin.gif

So far I like the idea a lot. In the end it doesn't really tell me anything different than a spreadsheet but I find it a heck of a lot easier to use. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

[Soleo]

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I find PT very unreliable. I use it but don't rely a whole lot on the $ figures. I get errors almost every time I import hand histories.

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Recently I had similar problem with Cryptologic hands. Now there are new patches at PT site to fix the problem - you should try them. (Go through forum because that patch is still not available at main site)

[EliteNinja]

Excel

[theredwave]

Quicken.

[MikeyObviously]

in the dorkiest of fashions: pocket excell

[Hank Rearden]

I've been using Money for 3 days now and find it much more palatable than using Excel. I use Qucken for all my other finances and Money only for poker stuff.

On Excel I was just keeping track of running balances, etc. With Money it's much easier to view reports on a daily, weekly, or monthly basis. So far I have 2 Income Categories. Poker Winnings - Ring and Poker Bonuses. I have sub-categories on both as I will keep the different limits separated from one another and under the bonus category I will track each site seperately.

It only takes a few seconds after each session to update the numbers.

So far this was a great idea. Whoever it was that recommended this. Thanks. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[TomBrooks]

I started with Excel but after a few months I can see this spreadsheet is going to eventually get rediculously large and hard to keep organized.

I tried MS Money and didn't like it. I have used Quicken in the past and thought Money was not nearly as good.

I have a new version of Quickbooks anyway so I made a new company for Poker in that. It looks good so far. It might be better than Quicken for figuring things like depreciation allowance of computer monitors and milage allowance expenses of traveling to casinos. Maybe Quicken would do that to, I don't remember.

I don't see any need to enter results of every session. I have PT anyway where I can find most of that stuff. I plan on entering total winnings/loses for each poker site once a month or right before and after clearing a bonus. That would probably make sense.

[bostondave]

Does anybody here use pokercharts.com? I'm about 3 weeks into their free trial, and undecided as to whether I'm going to pay for the service. It's $20/year, and seems to keep pretty good detail. It could use a little better filtering system, but I suppose I could export the data out and make my own.

I'm not sure I'd actually get anything out of it to make me a better player, but as far as organizing everything for tax time, and tracking your progress, it seems decent. Thoughts?

[obsidian]

Just an OpenOffice spreadsheet. I just keep track of my wins, losses, bonus money/rakeback, and hands played. I just check PT at the end of the day and add that info into the spreadsheet. I hope every single hand I have ever played is enough of a paper trail.