Wow, that was fast!

[Homer]

I didn't even make my casino website public, and I'm already banned from one affiliate program. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

"Hi Homer,

I see that you have sent us 3 players from [website URL] this month. Looking at the site this is purely targeting bonus abusers and this is the case with the players that you have sent to us thus far. Obviously this is not profitable for either of us so could you take us down from the site. Do you have any sites that are focused on gambling? We would be very interested in getting exposure on any other sites that you may have that do not target bonus abusers so if you need any help with marketing material or anything then feel free to get in touch.

Thanks

Thomas Furber

Assistant Affiliate Manager

WagerShare"

-- Homer

[GrannyMae]

holllly smokes batman, that WAS fast.

is this going to change your plans? i hope not.

granny <---- waiting for the URL to be made public.

[GrannyMae]

Looking at the site this is purely targeting bonus abusers and this is the case with the players that you have sent to us thus far

why not have the links bounce through another URL? make an innocent looking banner farm that is in compliance, then have all clicks from the REAL site forward through there.

i just got someone to do a total cleansing/redesign of my site(s). they looked horrible and it was making me nuts so i found a Zoo guy to knock it out for me. while i was playing with all the domain forwarding stuff when he was done, i realized that there is much creativity that can be used.

my sites are not really targeted to online people, so i bought a bunch of domains that i advertise offline and have them all re-direct to the main site. this gives me some ability to know which offline campaigns are working the best, but i did notice that there is much you could do to mask the advantage site.

[Homer]

[ QUOTE ]
holllly smokes batman, that WAS fast.

is this going to change your plans? i hope not.

granny <---- waiting for the URL to be made public.

[/ QUOTE ]

Nah, I had no expectations of making money to begin with, so nothing has changed in that regard.

I have been very busy lately (and lazy when not busy) -- hopefully I will have everything uploaded by the end of the week.

[Homer]

[ QUOTE ]
Looking at the site this is purely targeting bonus abusers and this is the case with the players that you have sent to us thus far

why not have the links bounce through another URL? make an innocent looking banner farm that is in compliance, then have all clicks from the REAL site forward through there.

i just got someone to do a total cleansing/redesign of my site(s). they looked horrible and it was making me nuts so i found a Zoo guy to knock it out for me. while i was playing with all the domain forwarding stuff when he was done, i realized that there is much creativity that can be used.

my sites are not really targeted to online people, so i bought a bunch of domains that i advertise offline and have them all re-direct to the main site. this gives me some ability to know which offline campaigns are working the best, but i did notice that there is much you could do to mask the advantage site.

[/ QUOTE ]

I hadn't thought of doing this, but maybe I will. As you said, it shouldn't be terribly hard to slap together a banner farm through which to redirect the aff links.

[Blackjack]

That's just one company though.
No offense, but how hard is it to put up a static HTML website with links to Starluck, Planetluck, BJ ballroom, Casino Classic, etc..

Blackjack

[Blackjack]

Ace Club, Casino County, 888, Reef, Sun Vegas, etc...

[GrannyMae]

I hadn't thought of doing this, but maybe I will. As you said, it shouldn't be terribly hard to slap together a banner farm through which to redirect the aff links.

i'm sure all domain places have this, but if you use godaddy, you can actually mask and rename the forwarding so there seems to be no trail at all.

[Blackjack]

How come sites that are already up like
http://www.casinoexploits.com
http://www.thebankrollbuilder.com
http://www.casinoratings.com

Haven't had their thingies banned?

[Homer]

[ QUOTE ]
No offense, but how hard is it to put up a static HTML website with links to Starluck, Planetluck, BJ ballroom, Casino Classic, etc..

[/ QUOTE ]

I take no offense, though I'm not sure what you mean. I'm looking to give advice, not just have a bunch of links for people to click on. If I'm misunderstanding you and you mean redirecting, then yeah, that is something I should look into. I'm really not that driven by money, so it is lower on my priority list than one might expect.

[Homer]

[ QUOTE ]
How come sites that are already up like
http://www.casinoexploits.com
http://www.thebankrollbuilder.com
http://www.casinoratings.com

Haven't had their thingies banned?

[/ QUOTE ]

I have no idea, nor do I care. I just thought it was amusing that it happened so fast, since I only told a few people about the site.

BTW, the person who runs casinoexploits is a dick. I hope he isn't making much money.

EDIT - Also, his information blows. Here's a sample, from Blackjack Ballroom:

"Casino Information: This casino is run by the same people by Casino Rewards and is a very reputable casino.

Cashout Time: It's pretty fast. About 5-7 days."

[bpb]

I was under the impression that casino affiliate deals typically paid a percentage of the user's total losses. That would make them fairly useless for any kind of bonus whoring oriented website.

Am I wrong about this? Are there a significant number of flat-fee affiliate programs?

[Blackjack]

I got my cashout from them in 3 days. Aren't they in the same group as Golden Tiger etc..?

[felson]

I'm not saying you should do this.

But if you left the link up, what's the worst that could happen? Does he have any legal right to prevent you from explaining what bonus whoring is and then linking to his site? What if you provided the URL but no active link (so that players would have to type it in)? Or, not a URL but the name of the site and a link to Google's "I'm Feeling Lucky"?

I'm curious about the First Amendment issues.

[Blackjack]

He does... when it's HIS companies affiliate program. They can choose who they want to have represent them and who they don't.

Homer can link to the sites without AFFID tags all he wants.

[Homer]

[ QUOTE ]
I was under the impression that casino affiliate deals typically paid a percentage of the user's total losses. That would make them fairly useless for any kind of bonus whoring oriented website.

Am I wrong about this? Are there a significant number of flat-fee affiliate programs?

[/ QUOTE ]

There are some that give fixed amounts (CPA), but for the most part they give a percentage of revenue and are useless to me.

-- Homer

[IggyWH]

He also says you can bet $0.50 autoplaying BJ.

[IggyWH]

New design looks great BTW. It's simple but also looks professionally done.

[GrannyMae]

[ QUOTE ]
New design looks great BTW. It's simple but also looks professionally done.

[/ QUOTE ]

merci' merci'

the old one had gotten REALLY nasty cuz i started maintaining myself.. this was a BAD plan. granny not good at that.

http://smilies.sofrayt.com/%5E/_950/lamer.gif

as i said, the sites not targeting people here, but i am so pleased with the look versus the old MESS. dude done good. i'm gonna pimp him out.

[grouchie]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
How come sites that are already up like
http://www.casinoexploits.com
http://www.thebankrollbuilder.com
http://www.casinoratings.com

Haven't had their thingies banned?

[/ QUOTE ]


that last link, i'm not so sure it's what you wanted it to be

I have no idea, nor do I care. I just thought it was amusing that it happened so fast, since I only told a few people about the site.

BTW, the person who runs casinoexploits is a dick. I hope he isn't making much money.

EDIT - Also, his information blows. Here's a sample, from Blackjack Ballroom:

"Casino Information: This casino is run by the same people by Casino Rewards and is a very reputable casino.

Cashout Time: It's pretty fast. About 5-7 days."

[/ QUOTE ] /images/graemlins/cool.gif

[Adde]

why not have the links bounce through another URL? make an innocent looking banner farm that is in compliance, then have all clicks from the REAL site forward through there.

I planned to do the same when I created a casino site targeted to Swedish players a year ago (but canceled the site later on; too much work). A tip might be to exclude search robots (by editing robots.txt, or using http meta tags) from the page that links to the redirect page. Otherwise the casino might find your site by searching for pages that has a link to the redirect page. Thus:

(1) Real content, visible to search engines, links to ->
(2) Dummy page, not visible to search engines, automatically refreshed and linked to ->
(3) Redirect page

(Also, the redirect page has to be on a different domain, otherwise they can just go to the index page and see what site the redirect came from.)

I don't know how GoDaddy works, perhaps this is not needed when using them.

Adde

[GrannyMae]

search robots

*sigh*

from there on, you lost me.

hopefully you did not lose homer

http://smilies.sofrayt.com/%5E/d/az.gif

[Homer]

[ QUOTE ]
search robots

*sigh*

from there on, you lost me.

hopefully you did not lose homer

http://smilies.sofrayt.com/%5E/d/az.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Heh, he did. I'll figure it out, though. Google time...

[BradleyT]

You can use a robots.txt file to tell google and the other engines not to spider your website (or certain pages).

If I go to google and type Link: (http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2003-50,GGLD:en&q=link%3A+www%2Etwoplustwo%2Ecom) www.twoplustwo.com (http://www.twoplustwo.com) I get a list of all sites that link to twoplustwo. The casino could do the same thing with your "dummy" site and see that they're coming from your whoring site and ban you.

But your robots.txt tells google not to index your whoring site so the casinos don't see that whore site actually links to redirect site.

Although I don't think a redirect site will work because it sounds like it would be against the T&C. Plus, not getting search engine traffic is pretty retarded.

What I suggest is instead of a redirect site, all links on your whoring site point to a "gambling" site. On the gambling site you have the affiliate links. You'll still need to do the robots.txt and your visitors will have to click two links (one on whoring site, one on gambling site) but it will be undetectable.

Let me know if you need help.

[LinusKS]

There's something really perverse about a system where the financial incentives all lie in giving out bad advice.

No wonder so many of the casino referral sites blow.

Keep up the good work, Homer.

[BradleyT]

OK I looked at your site again. Here's what I suggest:

Make an exact copy of your site, buy another domain + hosting and upload gambling site.
Change all links on whoring site to go to download page on gambling site.
Take out Expected Profit section for each site on gambling site.
Take out the Strategy Guide on gambling site.
Put robots.txt on whoring site.
Optimize gambling site for search engines.
Tell players on whoring site to use the download links on gambling site.

All visitors will then appear to be coming from gambling site.

[GrannyMae]

not getting search engine traffic is pretty retarded.

i'm telling you guys, godaddy has a feature that is relatively new that allows all of this.

OR, i am wrong because i understand none of this

QUESTION:


What is masking and how do I set it up for my domain?


ANSWER:


Masking works with domain name forwarding. Forwarding redirects all Web traffic for a domain to a specific URL. When someone types your-domain-name.com into a browser, our system will automatically forward or redirect them to your selected destination URL.

Forwarding with Masking prevents visitors from knowing that they have been redirected by securing that your domain name remains in the visitor's browser's address bar when he/she is being redirected, thus concealing the actual destination address.

The Forwarding with Masking option further enables users to add a title, plus description and keywords Meta tag data to the masked site. Title and Meta tag information is important to a Web site’s search engine ranking, but does not influence how a Web site is being displayed.


To add masking to your domain name forwarding:

Step 1:
Log in to the GoDaddy.com Account Manager.

Step 2:
Select Manage Domains from the Domain Names dropdown menu or the Manage Your Account list.




Step 3:
Select the domain you wish to modify by checking the box next to it, then click Forward Domains.




Step 4:
Under the blue Forward Domains heading on the right side of your page, check the box next to Mask Domain: and enter the title, description and keywords Meta data for the masked site.




Step 5:
Click SAVE SETTINGS at the bottom of the page.


Note: Masking is only available after you have set up domain name forwarding.


QUESTION:


What does it mean to mask Meta tags?


ANSWER:


Though invisible to end users, title and Meta tags contain vital Web page information, including keywords and page description. The title and Meta tag content is crucial to search-engine positioning, as many search engines incorporate that content Meta data into their ranking algorithms. Meta tags do not affect how a page is displayed.

Usually, forwarded domains do not contain Meta data. However, the Forward with Masking option enables you to apply title and Meta data to a forwarded and masked domain.

To add masking and Meta data to a forwarded domain you must log in to your account.

Step 1:
Select Manage Domains from the Domain Names menu.

Or click Manage Domains from heading the Manage Your Account further down the page.




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Step 2:
Select the domain you wish to add masking to by checking the box next to it and click Forward Domains.




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Step 3:
Under the Forward Domains heading on the right side of your page, check the box next to Mask Domain: and enter the title, description and keywords Meta data for the masked site.




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Step 4:
Click SAVE SETTINGS at the bottom of the page.


Note: Masking is only available after you have set up domain name forwarding

[BradleyT]

The problem with masking is they can still get the URL referrer.

[GrannyMae]

[ QUOTE ]
The problem with masking is they can still get the URL referrer.

[/ QUOTE ]

ahhhhh
(totally pretending i know why, but quickly backing away)

[BradleyT]

As a casino, I would have a listing of URLs that used your affiliate code to send a visitor to the casinos website (mysite.com/bonus.html). I would periodically check these URLs to see what kind of sites you're sending traffic from.

When you use domain masking, it only "fools" the visitor/browser. The web page referrer (mysite.com/whorethecasinos.html) that the casino sees is the actual masked site.

[Adde]

Although I don't think a redirect site will work because it sounds like it would be against the T&C. Plus, not getting search engine traffic is pretty retarded.

Redirecting is the wrong word, I meant a dummy page that needs to be clicked. Search engine traffic is only excluded from the dummy page, so nothing is lost their. I like your idea about a gambling site. I would do like this:

(1) Create gambling site (GAMBLING.COM) with no whoring advice. NOT hidden from search engines.

(2) For each casino you're affiliated with, have a separate page GAMBLING.COM/casino_name.html. NOT hidden from search engines.

(3) Create whoring site (WHORING.COM), with whoring advice. NOT hidden from search engines.

(4) For each casino you're affiliated with, have a separate page WHORING.COM/casino_name.html, with a link to the gambling site, GAMBLING.COM/casino_name. HIDE THIS PAGE FROM SEARCH ENGINES.

Players will now find GAMBLING.COM on Google, and enter casinos through GAMBLING.COM/casino_name.html.

Players will now find WHORING.COM on Google, and enter casinos through GAMBLING.COM/casino_name.html.

Casino operator will see that players are coming from GAMBLING.COM/casino_name. If they Google to find out all pages with a link to that URL, they will only find the harmless GAMBLING.COM site, since the pages on WHORING.COM with these links are excluded from search engines.

To hide a page from search engines without tampering with robots.txt on the server, add this code to your HTML for every page you want to hide:

<HEAD>
<TITLE>Page I Don't Want In Search Engines</TITLE>
<META NAME="ROBOTS" CONTENT="NOINDEX">
</HEAD>

Adde

[GrannyMae]

<HEAD>
<TITLE>Page I Don't Want In Search Engines</TITLE>
<META NAME="ROBOTS" CONTENT="NOINDEX">
</HEAD>


ahhhh,


NOW i understand. you should have said this before.


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[Rednax]

There's something really perverse about a system where the financial incentives all lie in giving out bad advice.

Yes it is perverse. We reward not the best (OK, depends on you definition of "best"), not the most deserving, not the just, not the honest, but those who are willing to lie, cheat and steal. And once you've got money and power, you need to lie cheat and steal to keep it.

Honesty and fairness may make you rich with friends and family (and possibly in another (after) life), but they won't get you much in this world.