Playing for your Life

[Blackjack]

I've been rebuilding my bankroll and it's one of the toughest jobs ever for me. I got into a car accident and had to shell out about 15k to repair my poor mustang. After that I went on tilt and pissed away the rest of it.

I started with $200 last night and patiently worked it up to $600 w/ some luck at 2/4 limit and 3/6.

But... The part of me with gamble wanted to take that to the 5/10 NL. Please no comments on how dumb that was - it was very dumb but I needed some capital fast - so I took a shot.

Here's the hand.

Relavant Stacks
UTG 1000$
MP1 320$
Idiot Hero 600$
9 Players
Hero has K /images/graemlins/spade.gif Q /images/graemlins/spade.gif in the cutoff

UTG raises to $30, MP calls $30, Hero calls $30.

Flop: 3 /images/graemlins/spade.gif 6 /images/graemlins/spade.gif Q /images/graemlins/club.gif
Pot: $105

UTG checks, MP checks, Hero bets $70, UTG calls $70, MP calls $70

Pot $325

Turn: 2 /images/graemlins/heart.gif

UTG bets $100, MP raises all in to $254, Hero pushes all in to $434, UTG calls.

Final pot: $1400ish

Plz tell

[stew77]

rebuilding your bankroll is a can be a grinding process, if your going to take this gamble at 5/10nl, then in this particular hand i say u push on the flop instead of calling.
this $105pot at that point will help your roll a ton but you also are in good position to double up if one calls

[Blackjack]

I didnt call the flop. I was the aggressor.

[schwza]

434 to win 1400? your flush draw is probably good, but you can't feel too confident that your K/Q outs are good. which makes it bad. oh, and you have about a 1% chance of having the best hand right now.

[mgsimpleton]

i hope for your sake you're up against 2 sets or a set and a straight rather than a set and the A high flush draw. drawing dead suuuuuuucks. but given the set, it turns out it's good you let the straight get there since you have to spike your flush to win anyway so you might as well get more equity for your 7 outs.

[Kaz The Original]

Its a full table right? I don't know why you're calling UTG raises with KQs, but certainly dont do it when you're playing with your bankroll.

[riffraff]

You have to push on the flop. Opp can have your top pair beat or a better draw, but cannot have both. As others have said take whats in the pot or double up. This is the best chance you will have to push.

[Blackjack]

It might just be for my specific case due to BR issues.. but everyone on 2+2 seems so scared of being dominated and wants to let the outcome ride on a push. Why not see a showdown here?

Schwa - It looks like that 1% happened. The river was a 7
/images/graemlins/club.gif

UTG showed 42 /images/graemlins/spade.gif for a crappy pair and missed gutshot/flush.

MP didn't show.

MHIG.

Why the hell would you push $570 into a $100 pot when you have flopped a damn nice draw and TPGK.

The raise UTG was only to $30.. In this game on stars, I've seen people open with T9s utg for $30.

I think folding KQs in the cutoff would be incredibly weak.

When the flush didn't come - I swore I was dead and felt this awful feelng in my gut. Suddenly, the first pot of $700 was pushed to me followed by the other one.

Shrek_it is a regular at the 5/10.. How can you justify raising 42s UTG even for deception purposes?

[Blackjack]

So now that I have a roll actually big enough for 2/4 Limit - I think I'll grind it out at party for awhile before doing some Casino whoring. This hand was pivotal for my bankroll because $1400 is enough for me to turn into $10,000 in one month easily.

[riffraff]

And if the board pairs (or an ace comes) on the turn and he pushes? I guess I like this spot to push because of my reasoning earlier. He can't have both the best hand and best draw and you could win what's in the pot right there. Perhaps I play this too conservative but I know it can't be too bad of a bad play.

Glad river wasn't a 5 /images/graemlins/spade.gif.. to think how far your heart would have dropped then! =)

[Ulysses]

Looks pretty straightforward. I'd probably just go ahead and pot it on the flop, but $70 is fine.

[Ulysses]

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I've been rebuilding my bankroll and it's one of the toughest jobs ever for me. I got into a car accident and had to shell out about 15k to repair my poor mustang. After that I went on tilt and pissed away the rest of it.

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Did you piss it away at the UB 25/50? What is your UB username? I'm akshawnd there.

[KaneKungFu123]

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I've been rebuilding my bankroll and it's one of the toughest jobs ever for me. I got into a car accident and had to shell out about 15k to repair my poor mustang. After that I went on tilt and pissed away the rest of it.

I started with $200 last night and patiently worked it up to $600 w/ some luck at 2/4 limit and 3/6.

But... The part of me with gamble wanted to take that to the 5/10 NL. Please no comments on how dumb that was - it was very dumb but I needed some capital fast - so I took a shot.

Here's the hand.

Relavant Stacks
UTG 1000$
MP1 320$
Idiot Hero 600$
9 Players
Hero has K /images/graemlins/spade.gif Q /images/graemlins/spade.gif in the cutoff

UTG raises to $30, MP calls $30, Hero calls $30.

Flop: 3 /images/graemlins/spade.gif 6 /images/graemlins/spade.gif Q /images/graemlins/club.gif
Pot: $105

UTG checks, MP checks, Hero bets $70, UTG calls $70, MP calls $70

Pot $325

Turn: 2 /images/graemlins/heart.gif

UTG bets $100, MP raises all in to $254, Hero pushes all in to $434, UTG calls.

Final pot: $1400ish

Plz tell

[/ QUOTE ]

You are rebuilding your BR in a game you couldnt beat in the first place? Head back to NL 25.

[lawpoker]

full coverage auto insurance is +EV.

[neon]

Diablo you were on fire late Sat. nite/ Sun. morning in that game . . . you had me busting my gut laughing at your drunken $hit talking . . . effing hilarious (ie, down to three-handed, Diablo, Mahatma + GoG; Diablo: "Great, now it's just me and the two FISH") /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Ulysses]

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Diablo you were on fire late Sat. nite/ Sun. morning in that game . . .

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You should have watched Sunday night. That was real good times.

[Blackjack]

No, didn't lose at the 25/50.

The new party 1000NL was what did me in.. One night of bad playing and tilts... shitload of buy-ins gone.

After losing so much from my BR from the car accident, I felt the need to get it back quickly. Impossible (or very difficult for me) to play a solid game in this situation.

Blackjack

[Blackjack]

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I've been rebuilding my bankroll and it's one of the toughest jobs ever for me. I got into a car accident and had to shell out about 15k to repair my poor mustang. After that I went on tilt and pissed away the rest of it.

I started with $200 last night and patiently worked it up to $600 w/ some luck at 2/4 limit and 3/6.

But... The part of me with gamble wanted to take that to the 5/10 NL. Please no comments on how dumb that was - it was very dumb but I needed some capital fast - so I took a shot.

Here's the hand.

Relavant Stacks
UTG 1000$
MP1 320$
Idiot Hero 600$
9 Players
Hero has K /images/graemlins/spade.gif Q /images/graemlins/spade.gif in the cutoff

UTG raises to $30, MP calls $30, Hero calls $30.

Flop: 3 /images/graemlins/spade.gif 6 /images/graemlins/spade.gif Q /images/graemlins/club.gif
Pot: $105

UTG checks, MP checks, Hero bets $70, UTG calls $70, MP calls $70

Pot $325

Turn: 2 /images/graemlins/heart.gif

UTG bets $100, MP raises all in to $254, Hero pushes all in to $434, UTG calls.

Final pot: $1400ish

Plz tell

[/ QUOTE ]

You are rebuilding your BR in a game you couldnt beat in the first place? Head back to NL 25.

[/ QUOTE ]


Go play in traffic Kane. Nobody likes you.

[jhall23]

I saw you playing on Friday I think it was. Just curious were you doing the Flynn short buy-in strategy cause I think I remember you at ~2500 at both tables when I first started to watch. I was playing my SS party 6 max and then next time I looked you were up to 6K on one table. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Ulysses]

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I saw you playing on Friday I think it was. Just curious were you doing the Flynn short buy-in strategy cause I think I remember you at ~2500 at both tables when I first started to watch. I was playing my SS party 6 max and then next time I looked you were up to 6K on one table. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

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I buy in anywhere from 2k to 5k depending on a lot of things. Usually between 2500 to 3500.

[-Skeme-]

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I've seen people open with T9s utg for $3

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That doesn't mean much unless you're playing with the person who has low preflop standards and opens with crap like T9s. KQ is a garbage trap hand.. even moreso when someone opened up in EP. GL.

[Blackjack]

KQs is a garbage hand. Hah

[Ulysses]

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KQs is a garbage hand. Hah

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I would fold your hand in that situation 0% of the time.

[Lawrence Ng]

Very strange the way this particular hand played out. But in the NL 5/10 on Party I've seen a lot of wacko things.

Based on the flop play,it looks like you are the best, after check-check-call. Some notes on MP would be very helpful here, but if he's slowplaying a set he's a damn retard do so since he's caught in the middle giving cheap draws. But more I think MP could have 2 pair (3-6 suited maybe) and is waiting to see the turn card before committing more of his chips.

Based on the turn bet by UTG, I'd put him on JJ,TT or some wacked up underpair, but when he calls your all-in, I'd have to say he might have been slowplaying his overpair of KK or AA which he did so horribly.

The odds looked stacked against you to hit a queen or the flush. I hope you did.

Lawrence

[KaneKungFu123]

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I saw you playing on Friday I think it was. Just curious were you doing the Flynn short buy-in strategy cause I think I remember you at ~2500 at both tables when I first started to watch. I was playing my SS party 6 max and then next time I looked you were up to 6K on one table. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

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I buy in anywhere from 2k to 5k depending on a lot of things. Usually between 2500 to 3500.

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Why?

[KaneKungFu123]

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I've seen people open with T9s utg for $3

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That doesn't mean much unless you're playing with the person who has low preflop standards and opens with crap like T9s. KQ is a garbage trap hand.. even moreso when someone opened up in EP. GL.

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KQ is just as much a trap hand as AK. If you open raise KQ and arent reraised, there arent too many hands that will trap you, maybe an unlucky AQ, but AK and up is going to reraise you.

[Ulysses]

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I saw you playing on Friday I think it was. Just curious were you doing the Flynn short buy-in strategy cause I think I remember you at ~2500 at both tables when I first started to watch. I was playing my SS party 6 max and then next time I looked you were up to 6K on one table. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

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I buy in anywhere from 2k to 5k depending on a lot of things. Usually between 2500 to 3500.

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Why?

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Has to do with the size of average pre-flop pot and average flop action.

[KaneKungFu123]

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I saw you playing on Friday I think it was. Just curious were you doing the Flynn short buy-in strategy cause I think I remember you at ~2500 at both tables when I first started to watch. I was playing my SS party 6 max and then next time I looked you were up to 6K on one table. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

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I buy in anywhere from 2k to 5k depending on a lot of things. Usually between 2500 to 3500.

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Why?

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Has to do with the size of average pre-flop pot and average flop action.

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Is it so much that their preflop standards are loose, or that their post flop play is good/agressive?

[Usagi_yo]

From a technical point of view, I wouldn't call a raise in a NL game with KQs. Looks pretty, but you're basicaly trying flop a multi-way hand. Flush draw with straight, Flush draw pair, straight draw pair etc .... Something you can represent witha big bet.

Because if you flop just a naked K or a naked Q you simply aren't going to know where you are. Up against overpair? up against a Better kicker ... all those nasty things that happen when you call raises with easily dominated hands.

With that aside.

Push all in. You got one of the better flops and you're willing to risk your fledgling bankroll for a score.

[oneeye13]

doesn't he still want action on this hand on the flop?

[KaneKungFu123]

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From a technical point of view, I wouldn't call a raise in a NL game with KQs. Looks pretty, but you're basicaly trying flop a multi-way hand. Flush draw with straight, Flush draw pair, straight draw pair etc .... Something you can represent witha big bet.

Because if you flop just a naked K or a naked Q you simply aren't going to know where you are. Up against overpair? up against a Better kicker ... all those nasty things that happen when you call raises with easily dominated hands.

With that aside.

Push all in. You got one of the better flops and you're willing to risk your fledgling bankroll for a score.

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preflop raising standards in these games are very low. i open raise ALOT of hands.

[Kaz The Original]

Any sort of explanation on this? I am mucking AQs to an unknown EP raiser. Naturally once I have a read, this all changes. What are your normal calling ranges in LP, with moderate stack sizes against an unknown UTG raise? PP's, I assume. Suited Connectors possibly? AQo? KQo?KQs?AJs? Where do you draw the line?

[KaneKungFu123]

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Any sort of explanation on this? I am mucking AQs to an unknown EP raiser. Naturally once I have a read, this all changes. What are your normal calling ranges in LP, with moderate stack sizes against an unknown UTG raise? PP's, I assume. Suited Connectors possibly? AQo? KQo?KQs?AJs? Where do you draw the line?

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UTG, in party 6max I open raise all pairs, Axs, suited connecters, any two painted cards.

although i also limp reraise with all of these hands often also.

[aggie]

"This hand was pivotal for my bankroll because $1400 is enough for me to turn into $10,000 in one month easily."

If running $1,400 into $10,000 in one month is so easy, why did a 15k bill wipe out your bankroll?

valid answers include:
a. i've only been playing poker for 2 months
b. i have a severe drug problem
c. I spend a lot of money on prostitutes
d. I'm lying....It's not so easy to make $8,600 a month on a very limited bankroll
e. all of my previous winnings are tied up in beutiful assets
f. I'm paying child support on 11 children....
g. Maybe it's not so easy to make $8600 on a very limited bankroll

[KaneKungFu123]

[ QUOTE ]
"This hand was pivotal for my bankroll because $1400 is enough for me to turn into $10,000 in one month easily."

If running $1,400 into $10,000 in one month is so easy, why did a 15k bill wipe out your bankroll?

valid answers include:
a. i've only been playing poker for 2 months
b. i have a severe drug problem
c. I spend a lot of money on prostitutes
d. I'm lying....It's not so easy to make $8,600 a month on a very limited bankroll
e. all of my previous winnings are tied up in beutiful assets
f. I'm paying child support on 11 children....
g. Maybe it's not so easy to make $8600 on a very limited bankroll

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h. i rebuilt a mustang, the most overrated car of all time.

[Sponger15SB]

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effing hilarious (ie, down to three-handed, Diablo, Mahatma + GoG; Diablo: "Great, now it's just me and the two FISH") /images/graemlins/grin.gif

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Good game selection....well....if Diablo and GoG are cheating /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Ulysses]

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effing hilarious (ie, down to three-handed, Diablo, Mahatma + GoG; Diablo: "Great, now it's just me and the two FISH") /images/graemlins/grin.gif

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Good game selection....well....if Diablo and GoG are cheating /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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I sat out the next hand and let the two fish lock horns for a few hours HU.

I'm actually getting less concerned about cheating in that game than I was in the past. That was one of the main reasons I had not tried the game. I'm sure it happens to some degree, but the player pool is so small and there are so many knowledgeable players in the game that I think it would be pretty hard for most players to cheat without getting caught relatively quickly. That doesn't mean I'm not always looking out for weird stuff, though, as I'm sure anything is possible in a game this big.

[TheWorstPlayer]

Because it's always so fun when these threads turn 100% to gossip, I thought I would mention that GoG took about 25K off of Mahatma HU while I was watching. Then, since internet poker is rigged, he lost a 12K pot all-in preflop with AK to KQ. Also, my favorite Diablo line was when he got all in preflop with 66 against JJ and flopped a 6 to win. The line: "Sorry, I had you on 55."

[GuruCane]

This is pretty funny.

[Blackjack]

aggie
journeyman
Reged: 02/22/03
Posts: 99
Loc: CT

Well Mr. one monther.. If you read the post thoroughly, you would see that I pissed a shitload away after the accident at the party 5/10 NL - I was so pissed about the BR problems so I tried as fast as i could to rebuild.

If someone as good as El Diablo says he'd call KQs in that position - it's getting markeddown as a definite. I'll take his advice in a second.

[Kaz The Original]

This is 9 handed, and you're a crazy lag.

[Blackjack]

Crazy lag? You'd really fold KQs to an EP raise to $30 on pokerstars after 1 other caller.

[Kaz The Original]

I don't play the stars 5/10 game, but from what I hear it's not very good (ie, fairly tight), and it's an UTG raise.

Note the comment about crazy lag (which was not ment to be derogatory, was in response to
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UTG, in party 6max I open raise all pairs, Axs, suited connecters, any two painted cards."

which sounds like crazy lag to me.


[edited in :
What range of hands do you put UTG on?]

[Kaz The Original]

Ironic you make this statement in light of David Skalansky just stating that it would be possible for two players to cheat in the 4k/8k game forever without it being detected.

[Ulysses]

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Ironic you make this statement in light of David Skalansky just stating that it would be possible for two players to cheat in the 4k/8k game forever without it being detected.

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I haven't read that thread.

There's a big difference, however, when all the hole cards can be checked after the fact if it looks like something funny is going on.

[Kaz The Original]

Admittedly that's a huge +, but only in hands that go to showdown, and while subtle signals are needed to collude in a live game, online 'hey i folded the ace of spades' over msn messenger is a little easier than "index finger over 5k chips = spade".

Essentially what David Said was that if the 7th and 8th best players in the 4k/8k game colluded, even slightly, they could beat it, and it would be easy for them to never get caught.

Mind you, the players in your game are likely not as sophisticated in terms of knowledge of poker as those players,

Link To Davids Statement (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Number=1913390&page=4&view=c ollapsed&sb=5&o=14&fpart=1)

[James282]

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So now that I have a roll actually big enough for 2/4 Limit - I think I'll grind it out at party for awhile before doing some Casino whoring. This hand was pivotal for my bankroll because $1400 is enough for me to turn into $10,000 in one month easily.

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LMAO. "easily." If you could do that easily, your br wouldn't have been crippled by a 15k loss. You have no discipline. Get some, or get a new hobby.
-James

[James282]

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Admittedly that's a huge +, but only in hands that go to showdown, and while subtle signals are needed to collude in a live game, online 'hey i folded the ace of spades' over msn messenger is a little easier than "index finger over 5k chips = spade".

Essentially what David Said was that if the 7th and 8th best players in the 4k/8k game colluded, even slightly, they could beat it, and it would be easy for them to never get caught.

Mind you, the players in your game are likely not as sophisticated in terms of knowledge of poker as those players,

Link To Davids Statement (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Number=1913390&page=4&view=c ollapsed&sb=5&o=14&fpart=1)

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The online casinos can check the hole cards of any player in any hand, after the fact.
-James

[Ulysses]

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but only in hands that go to showdown

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No.

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Mind you, the players in your game are likely not as sophisticated in terms of knowledge of poker as those players

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The regular winning players in the 25/50NL are as sophisticated in terms of poker knowledge as just about anyone around.

[Kaz The Original]

Do you think the average winning player in the 25/50 NL could hold their own in the 4k/8k mixed game? Not beat, but be break even minus the vig?

You think they have the same poker knowledge of someone playing the 4k/8k game?

I find it this incredibly hard to believe, but have no experience in either game, so I cannot really debate the matter. Seems like you are underrating the players who play in the 4k/8k game, or under rating the game of poker, but again, I am not qualified to judge here.

I wasn't thinking about the fact the casino could (and at the 25k/50k level probably DOES actively investigate collusion).

[aggie]

Reged: 01/05/05
Posts: 525
Loc: Crazy Lag

"Well Mr. one monther.."

Can you explain what you mean by this?


aggie
journeyman
Reged: 02/22/03
Posts: 99
Loc: CT

Well Mr. one monther..

[Ulysses]

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Do you think the average winning player in the 25/50 NL could hold their own in the 4k/8k mixed game? Not beat, but be break even minus the vig?

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Sure, why not? It's just poker.

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You think they have the same poker knowledge of someone playing the 4k/8k game?

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It's just poker, man.

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I find it this incredibly hard to believe, but have no experience in either game, so I cannot really debate the matter.

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I don't have any experience playing NL above 25/50 or limit above 100/200, but come on man, it's just poker.

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Seems like you are underrating the players who play in the 4k/8k game

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Nah, from everything I know, all of which is secondhand, it seems like they are mostly great players. But it's just poker.

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or under rating the game of poker

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Well, perhaps that I am.

[legend42]

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g. Maybe it's not so easy to make $8600 on a very limited bankroll

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Sure it is. All he's got to do is triple up, then double it. (and the last $1600 is easy...)

[-Skeme-]

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KQs is a garbage hand. Hah

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KQ sucks.

[Loci]

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Any sort of explanation on this? I am mucking AQs to an unknown EP raiser. Naturally once I have a read, this all changes. What are your normal calling ranges in LP, with moderate stack sizes against an unknown UTG raise? PP's, I assume. Suited Connectors possibly? AQo? KQo?KQs?AJs? Where do you draw the line?

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A/Js, K/Qs is about as low as I'll go with a sizable early position raise at a full table from an unknown... maybe a pock pair if I want to play the who-can-I-bust-this-hand-game... (though with the set over set, I "win" every now and again in that game too!) lol

[Blackjack]

James282 - I've only been playing seriously since this summer. I've also taken a lot more out of my BR then the 15k - tuition etc...

If you care - I have $3200 now. That's all in 2.5 days, starting from $200.

Have about 400 riding on NBA games tonight so we'll see how that turns out. Could either anywhere from 2800-3600 tonight.

[Loci]

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Do you think the average winning player in the 25/50 NL could hold their own in the 4k/8k mixed game? Not beat, but be break even minus the vig?


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Sure, why not? It's just poker.


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You think they have the same poker knowledge of someone playing the 4k/8k game?


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It's just poker, man.


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I find it this incredibly hard to believe, but have no experience in either game, so I cannot really debate the matter.


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I don't have any experience playing NL above 25/50 or limit above 100/200, but come on man, it's just poker.


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Seems like you are underrating the players who play in the 4k/8k game


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Nah, from everything I know, all of which is secondhand, it seems like they are mostly great players. But it's just poker.


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or under rating the game of poker


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Well, perhaps that I am.

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LOL!!! Arguably the best response I've seen posted anywhere in months! Thanks D!

[Voltron87]

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Have about 400 riding on NBA games tonight so we'll see how that turns out.

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I actually lol'ed at that one. You're either kidding, or a degenerate gambler who will always be broke.

[BobboFitos]

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Have about 400 riding on NBA games tonight so we'll see how that turns out.

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I actually lol'ed at that one. You're either kidding, or a degenerate gambler who will always be broke.

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yeah, im going to echo this. i think you have a gambling problem.

[Blackjack]

*shrug*

Can you honestly tell me that you're not going to bet on the NCAA Tournament? Or that you've never entered a bracket pool etc...

Not everyone who plays a game that can be negative ev has a gambling problem /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Blackjack

[aggie]

Do you realize that $400 is 1/8 of your entire bankroll? The first step to recovery is to admit to yourself that you have a problem...Repeat after me:

"My name is Blackjack and i'm a compulsive gambler"

[zaxx19]

Hmm Denial is not only a river in Egypt.

[BobboFitos]

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*shrug*

Can you honestly tell me that you're not going to bet on the NCAA Tournament? Or that you've never entered a bracket pool etc...

Not everyone who plays a game that can be negative ev has a gambling problem /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Blackjack

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yeah, i'll bet on the ncaa tourney, and i'm in a fantasy baseball legaue for $.

you said you had money on nba tonight... blah.


oh well, im not going to take a chunk of my br and bet it on the tourney though. contraint.

not that im ripping into you, sorry if this exceeded the shell of sensitivity or whatever you want to call it, but honestly if i just blew most of my br on high stakes action i wouldn't take whats left of it and try to "make a score on the roulette wheel"

good luck, though.

[Blackjack]

So by that same standard, Johnny Moss was a compulsive gambler?

Ever hear the story about Moss.. I think it was in Man with 100,000$ breasts. He once was down to his last 40$. He knew that he couldn't play in even the lowest stake games with a sum like that so he played BJ betting it all and ran it up to $500. He went back to the poker table and ran it up to $5000. He then went back to the BJ tables and ran it up to 10k. He bet it all on the superbowl for the Chiefs/49ers (don't remember which) to win. Boom - 1 day 40$-20k

[aggie]

Yes...Johnny Moss was a compulsive gambler....It's a good thing he was a good poker player

[zaxx19]

OTOH you are reading Michael Konik books....

So, you got that going for you....vomit.

[Kaz The Original]

Suprising. Well, since I know almost nothing about the 4k/8k players, I suppose I can't continue this any further. Your viewpoint definitely surprises me.

[Blackjack]

I'd rather take the gamble it up back to 10k approach and then grind rather than vice versa.

[Kaz The Original]

Gotta get out of the kiddy pool and start making some moves?

Atleast you never knew all the angels but were too afraid to get off your leather ass.

You've got something, you know you've got something! Better than 'playing the precentages' never winning much, never losing much.

That about exhausts my supply of poker lore.

Conservative thinking can be fun you know. Like a spider and a fly, rather than a bull and a china shop.

[Blackjack]

Like I said - I'll take my chances for now. It has nothing to do with poker lore. Just personal preference.

Most of the rebuilding is being done via casino whoring anyways and the sportsbook bets also have a $50 bonus on them so essentially - no vig.

[Post-Oak]

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Do you think the average winning player in the 25/50 NL could hold their own in the 4k/8k mixed game? Not beat, but be break even minus the vig?

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Sure, why not? It's just poker.

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So the average 25/50 NLHE player on UB is ready to play Negreanu and Ivey in shorthanded 4K/8K Deuce to Seven Triple Draw?

Makes sense.

[Post-Oak]

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I would fold your hand in that situation 0% of the time.

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What about the situation makes it such an obvious call? The fact that you are sitting with 60X the BB? Or is it because the caller in front of you has 32X the BB?

I know you play on UB, and I'm interested in hearing from a true poker theoretician.

[adanthar]

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If someone as good as El Diablo says he'd call KQs in that position - it's getting markeddown as a definite. I'll take his advice in a second.

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If someone as good as El Diablo says he can call KQs in that position, it doesn't mean you should.

See why?

Ni han, but in your situation I'd take the NCAA part of my roll and spend it on counseling instead. There's a lot of stuff in your posts I wouldn't be happy about.

[Ulysses]

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Do you think the average winning player in the 25/50 NL could hold their own in the 4k/8k mixed game? Not beat, but be break even minus the vig?

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Sure, why not? It's just poker.

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So the average 25/50 NLHE player on UB is ready to play Negreanu and Ivey in shorthanded 4K/8K Deuce to Seven Triple Draw?

Makes sense.

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Think about the question less literally and more conceptually. That line of thinking will also help your poker game.

As for poker games, Deuce to Seven is one that I'd happily play them with the proper bankroll.

[Dr. Strangelove]

I fold kqs here preflop. I fold Aqo here preflop. I call 22. Generally.

[Ulysses]

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a sizable early position raise at a full table

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This is the crux of the issue here. Many of you seem to be looking at this as a "sizable early position raise." I look at it as a "standard open."

[Ulysses]

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I would fold your hand in that situation 0% of the time.

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What about the situation makes it such an obvious call?

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I just feel I'll make money playing that hand for that amount in that position in that situation. That's pretty much it.

[Blackjack]

The thread title was somewhat sarcastic if you didn't get the hint. It's not like if I went bust in the hand that I couldn't reload. I could very easily.

The NCAA bets with the 10% bonus easily make it +EV if you don't make picks like a retard. How much EV is debatable.

[Post-Oak]

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Think about the question less literally and more conceptually.


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Actually, we are on the same page conceptually. That is why I only quoted your answer to his first (very specific) question.
His first question was:
"Do you think the average winning player in the 25/50 NL could hold their own in the 4k/8k mixed game? Not beat, but be break even minus the vig?"

You should have just said "no", and then explained what you meant when you answered his "poker knowledge" question. Saying "yes" is just foolish.


But to support your assertion that it is "just poker", Andy Beal has made an open challenge to play any poker pro in $75K-$150K HU LHE. There are no takers. This is not chess people. The game is really pretty simple, and is mostly luck.

[Loci]

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This is the crux of the issue here.

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I wasn't referring to the hand in question, I was dictating what hands I'll hold onto to a large opening raise.

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Many of you seem to be looking at this as a "sizable early position raise." I look at it as a "standard open."


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yup

[Ulysses]

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His first question was:
"Do you think the average winning player in the 25/50 NL could hold their own in the 4k/8k mixed game? Not beat, but be break even minus the vig?"

You should have just said "no", and then explained what you meant when you answered his "poker knowledge" question. Saying "yes" is just foolish.

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it is not foolish
it is quite likely true
because he said
could

[KaneKungFu123]

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Do you think the average winning player in the 25/50 NL could hold their own in the 4k/8k mixed game? Not beat, but be break even minus the vig?

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Sure, why not? It's just poker.

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So the average 25/50 NLHE player on UB is ready to play Negreanu and Ivey in shorthanded 4K/8K Deuce to Seven Triple Draw?

Makes sense.

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its cool you are willing to challenge diablo and indirectly, his clan of teacher's pets, but seriously, direct some of your pseudo wittiness at a not so faggoty subject as the make believe 4k/8k game.

[LondonBroil]

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KQs is a garbage hand. Hah

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KQ sucks.

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But it's sooooooooted.