Let the draw go? Play it more agressively?

[ilya]

I like the preflop limp and the river check but I'm not sure about the rest. $20 buy-in.


Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP3 (t415)
CO (t800)
Button (t710)
SB (t545)
BB (t770)
UTG (t890)
UTG+1 (t695)
Hero (t1660)
MP2 (t1515)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls t15, UTG+1 calls t15, Hero calls t15, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Button calls t15, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t87.50) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t60</font>, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to t120</font>, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls t60.

Turn: (t327.50) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets t120</font>, Hero calls t120.

River: (t567.50) 5/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: t567.50

[Voltron87]

It's a 6 way pot, I wouldn't bet. If you get a good price, call. But you going to win the pot by betting, so just check it.

[Cry Me A River]

Ditto. If there's one or maybe two others in the pot I might bet it to try and scoop if the flop's missed everyone but with so many in the pot, the flop's hit someone or someone's going to be willing to call with overcards, an overpair, or whatever junk they've fallen in love with.

Calling the turn is pretty marginal since you're not even sure if you're good if an ace hits. UTG probably either has the 4, or an overpair or overcards that have missed including the possibility of a better ace.

I really wouldn't be surprised is UTG shows something like KQ and you're good or 99 and you're not. Either way I'm not willing to put more money into this hand, particularly early in an SNG.

[callmedonnie]

First off, I think you should fold this hand preflop. I don't see a good enough reason to play it is all. That said, betting the flop doesn't make too much sense because the number of players in the hand someone has something. You are guarenteed callers (which you don't want w/ just a draw) and there is likely a check raiser. Calling his raise wasn't too bad, as the odds were about right. On the turn you're a bit more than 4 to 1 shot to hit flush. He's giving you less than 4 to 1 (not much) so implied odds might keep you in it. Like I said, had you folded from beginning you wouldn't have to worry about giving back all these chips if you don't hit, or worse, if you hit and he limped w/ 34.

[hockeyf]

Folding preflop with ace/semirag suited for 15 when hero has 1660?

The only good play in the hand is the preflop call.

[ilya]

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The only good play in the hand is the preflop call.

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Hmm, I think checking behind on the river is clearly correct. 1, my hand has too much showdown value; 2, better hands will not fold; 3, worse hands will not call.

[Irieguy]

Investing 255 chips into a level-1 hand in a $22 SNG with A-8 in middle position absolutely reeks.

Irieguy

[Irieguy]

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Folding preflop with ace/semirag suited for 15 when hero has 1660?

The only good play in the hand is the preflop call.

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Why does having 1660 matter here? Can UTG and UTG +1 go into their pockets for more chips if you make a big hand?

Irieguy

[ilya]

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Investing 255 chips into a level-1 hand in a $22 SNG with A-8 in middle position absolutely reeks.

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But Irie it was soooooted!

Seriously though, that's interesting that you have such a strong reaction. I didn't think anything I did in this hand was flat-out *terrible.* Hmmmmm, I am not really understanding it right now but I'm tired. Something to sleep on I suppose.

[deathpotato]

I think what he's saying (please correct me if I'm wrong, Irie!) is that your implied odds here depend not on your stack but on your opponents' stacks. You stand to win 800 chips or so from each of them if you hit your flush, whether your stack is 800 or 1600 is irrelevant (or close to). I may be wrong here, though, so if I am I hope someone tells me.

[curtains]

I would fold preflop but I don't think it's terrible to call.

[callmedonnie]

that's what I'm saying.

[spentrent]

Your bet is a semi-bluff. Part of the value of a semi-bluff comes from winning the pot right now. With six players in this pot, it's likely that they ALL hold at least overcards. At LEAST one of these characters will call.

Fold to the check-raise. The semi-bluff failed.

[SNOWBALL138]

I don't like your turn call or your preflop call at all.

The turn call is wrong because you are not *actually* getting big implied odds. There are a few reasons for this:

1. Villain may fold when the flush card comes, either b/c he is bluffing, or smart.

2. Villain may have a full house, in which case your are getting REVERSE implied odds /images/graemlins/shocked.gif