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XChamp

03-13-2005, 06:19 PM

I don't know anything about anyone. Just sat down.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (6 max, 5 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Button ($606.9)
SB ($389.5)
Hero ($435.7)
Villain ($394)
MP ($363.4)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. SB posts a blind of $2.
Villain calls $4, 2 folds, SB (poster) completes, Hero raises to $16, Villain calls $16, SB folds.

Flop: ($44) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $30, Villain raises to $70, Hero raises to $225, Villain calls $304 (All-In), Hero calls $149.

Turn: ($792) J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($792) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $792
Main Pot: $792, between Hero and Villain. > Pot won by Villain ($792).

Results in white below: 
Hero has Ks Kd (one pair, kings).
Villain has Ah Ad (one pair, aces).
Outcome: Villain wins $792. 

In case any of you haven't noticed. I'm new to this 100BB format. Generally in situations like this (with 50BB stacks) I try and stack of against AQ. Obviously it is different now. I wasn't worried about QQ and I thought 88 would have raised a little bit, or at least hesitated on the flop. So I thought I was up against 55 or AQ.

Thoughts?

Kaz The Original

03-13-2005, 07:08 PM

I think most players get away from a queen when "Hero raises to $225".

Prevaricator

03-13-2005, 07:14 PM

I dont think i could get away from this on party. However, I would call the original raise and then go for a CR on the turn.

theben

03-13-2005, 08:13 PM

if its any consolation to you, the man with AA played it worse than you played your KK. against a good player you were destined to go broke this hand, so dont feel bad. (6 handed AA vs KK should get all the money in before the flop)

psuasskicker

03-13-2005, 09:12 PM

I'm not sure how I avoid going broke there. Villain called PF with no intention of reraising a raise behind him. That's a one way ticket to broke-ville when someone catches a monster behind him, though he will trap people in situations. The problem is, he's highly unlikely to actually trap them into losing more money than they would if he just (re)raised before the flop.

You made the move on the flop. His raise over your bet could be anything. If you had check raised and he reraised you, then you have a tougher decision. But once he moves all in, you're getting more than 7 to 1 odds from the pot. You're only a little better than 12 to 1 against hitting your set to beat him if you're behind, but the odds you're ahead push that into an easy call.

I think 99.999% of players would have trouble not going broke on that hand.

- C -

XChamp

03-13-2005, 09:59 PM

Yeah you're right Kaz, a decent player will fold AQ to my reraise. I'm used to playing NL$100 before they cut the blinds and this was pretty standard then, as AQ and sometimes KQ would pay their whole stack.

How would you have played it differently?

Kaz The Original

03-13-2005, 10:05 PM

Call his raise, bet $70 on the turn. Not saying I don't go broke here.

jdp

03-13-2005, 11:35 PM

I like Kaz's play, except make it 50-60% of the pot on the turn. It's pretty rare an A-Q will reraise here, so a reraise probably means you're beat...