Tilt - Episode 8 Official Thread

[Francis]

OK,

laugh at me all you want, but I enjoy the hell out of this show. I'm far too old to give a flying rip what anyone else thinks about it.

I can't wait for tonights show

- will lowball sell out the young turks?
- does Jimmie Town get capped by the Matador?
- are the kids going to win the WSOP?
- what will the ho playing Matadors daughter do for an encore?
- will Lee Nickle grow any more bone above his eyes?
- who will Miami end up with?
- will Eddie get a modeling gig after the WSOP?

9:00 tonight, I'll be dualtabling .5/1 on Party, watching Tilt; and you be damn sure when I take down a pot, you're gonna read "next case"... /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[cwsiggy]

What are the odds this show gets renewed for next year???

[Hold'me]

22.00-to-1

[Ianco15]

I'm willing to bet its coming back.

[toots]

Hope so.

The show's mildly entertaining, but the ranting and complaining about it here is first rate entertainment.

[pokerwisc]

Has anyone else watched the trailer (http://espn-tilt.com/video_player8.html)? It looks quite entertaining with Hellmuth.

[Hold'me]

Just watched the pokerupdates.com video for this month and Doyle and a lot of the pros were very upset over TILT. I didn't think they were that angry until I heard Doyle call the writers "dissapointing" and so on.

Anyhow, I always imagined TILT being a one season wonder. I just can't see what direction the show can go in a second season.

[Toy4x4]

I like it. It is a soap opera, and it is good for poker (read lot more dead money getting interested in the game). I wanna see Hellmuth loose to Everest and meltdown. That would be classic.

[Ulysses]

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- are the kids going to win the WSOP?

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You are merely a wannabe fan.

[MonkeeMan]

My take on Tilt is best described as GUILTY PLEASURE.

[Kevmath]

From this article (http://www.pokernews.info/news/2005/03/tilt-six-episodes.htm) it seems that the ratings are not so hot, falling pretty fast from weeks 1-3. I've got doubts there will be a season 2, especially if they're hoping to keep the WSOP in future years.

Kevin...

[Francis]

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- are the kids going to win the WSOP?

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You are merely a wannabe fan.

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How dare you impune my fanhood! If you don't take it back, I'm going to tell Ed Miller...

[Hold'me]

Listen to this comment from one ignoramus after reading the TILT article on PokerNews.info:
I liked tilt since i donkw the rules too well and things about poker it gave me an inside look at what poker is all about.

Yeah, TILT definitely makes poker much more appealing to the general public...

[Go Blue]

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I wanna see Hellmuth loose to Everest and meltdown. That would be classic.


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I guarantee you that based on everything, that jack of clubs is gonna hit on the river to give Matador the nut boat and Hellmuth the straight flush. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Hold'me]

Hellmuth loses guys. The climax has to be Eddie beating the Matador, a la good v. evil. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[ClassicBob]

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- are the kids going to win the WSOP?

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You are merely a wannabe fan.

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How dare you impune my fanhood! If you don't take it back, I'm going to tell Ed Miller...

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If you were a real fan, you'd know that they were playing in the "World Championship of Poker."

[RacersEdge]

as a bartender??

What's next - Stuart Scott as a dealer?

[lighterjobs]

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What are the odds this show gets renewed for next year???

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their probably on bodog.

[lighterjobs]

i've never wanted to slap phil hellmuth more in my life.

[RacersEdge]

lol, should have guessed - Golic with the cameo - who gets dissed by Miami..

[Ianco15]

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as a bartender??

What's next - Stuart Scott as a dealer?

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Mike Golic working for the Matador.

[lighterjobs]

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- will lowball sell out the young turks?
- does Jimmie Town get capped by the Matador?
- are the kids going to win the WSOP?
- what will the ho playing Matadors daughter do for an encore?
- will Lee Nickle grow any more bone above his eyes?
- who will Miami end up with?
- will Eddie get a modeling gig after the WSOP?


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i wish i knew what you were talking about.

[Bill Murphy]

What do I do?

Say, and how hard was it for Greg Raymer last year; work all day then play the WSOP all night a la Clark? LOLOLOLOLOL.

God, and Hellmuth's just awful.

[ClassicBob]

EP raise with 3/6 blinds to 50k! brilliant!

call with J9c! Brilliant!

[Spridel]

Hold'me
IMO...timing is key..if they start the second season in September (conincidental with WSOP)...it'll probably find renewed success...as for this....

"Listen to this comment from one ignoramus after reading the TILT article on PokerNews.info:
I liked tilt since i donkw the rules too well and things about poker it gave me an inside look at what poker is all about."

assuming you "cut-n-pasted....that's no ignoramus...that's a drunk ! ...sober people don't fat finger that bad and not review ...of course, if it's not "cut-n-paste"....well...I'll go get another bottle and catch up with you /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[thedude4life]

THE SMOKING MAN IS ON TILT

[cwsiggy]

Gee Mr. Matador, a weekend getaway in Tahoe, great!!! When will the caretaker Raoul be wacking me? should I pack light?? lol

[Hold'me]

Hellmuth pushes all-in with J/images/graemlins/club.gif 9/images/graemlins/club.gif just to take down a little over $100,000 pot. I just can't see him doing something like that in real life against an opponent with an equally deep stack of well over one million.

The flop came down A-8-3 and the Matador had just raised to $50,000 from EP (blinds were 3,000-6,000) with pocket Queens. Matador checked the flop to Hellmuth who pushed all-in. Forgot to add the important information about the hand the first time. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[SoftcoreRevolt]

If there is a Season 2 the Matador wins the tournament this year.

Edit: Rod Stewart's "Young Turks" has run through my head everytime I scan this thread...

[Soul Daddy]

Line of the night goes to Hellmuth.
"I lost to the crime lord."

[MicroBob]

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Since that first episode, however, the ratings have fallen off, in fact fallen off quite substantially. In its second week, on Jan. 20, Tilt posted a 1.34 household rating, off 18% from its premiere. In Tilt's third week, which are the last published numbers I can find, the show managed just a 0.74 household rating, down 55% from its premiere.

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I don't feel like trying to look it up....but I would guess that the ratings have fallen-off even more since then.

ESPN is not promoting this show NEARLY as much as they did in the opening 3-4 weeks. Perhaps that's partly by design since they have all sorts of other stuff going on that is at the top of their promotion agenda (the NBA-analyst dream-job and now championship-week in college hoops....and for a few days in there ESPN-U).


I find it pretty likely that this show will NOT get renewed. They've had little problem ditching other shows for whatever reason including 2-minute drill with Kenny Mayne (which wasn't half-bad), Stump the Schwab (or whatever that show was called), I'll Do Anything (which I think was scrapped but am not sure).


My guess is that the ESPN-entertainment division is saying "well just chalk this one up as an experiment that didn't quite work."


But I could be wrong.

I originally thought Dream Job 1 and Around the Horn were both so terrible that they would never last.

[legend42]

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I guarantee you that based on everything, that jack of clubs is gonna hit on the river to give Matador the nut boat and Hellmuth the straight flush. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

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Actually, unless I've missed it, the miracle river card is the one cheesy device they haven't used on this show yet (well, besides the time the fish made a set of 3's at the the low-limit game to crack Eddie's aces, and show what a good reader he is).

If anything, they've had too many blanks fall after the money goes in.

[Brain]

Mike Golic? Man, was I really not paying attention tonight.

I posted in OOT, anybody else (you Jets fans out there) catch the Paul Hackett drink reference at the bar?

[pokerwisc]

"Are you kidding me? I love being the bad boy of poker. Just don't tell my mom."

[Dominic]

"I will piss on your happy."


this is my new favorite threat.

[ZBTHorton]

I really wish they would make the poker scenes more realistic.

If they were more realistic...this show would rock out with its cock out.

[Tablerat]

I wonder how much Hellmuth was paid to sport the UB hat on the show - I could clearly see the lettering on close ups during the little bit I watched at the beginning.

Have any other online sites received air time?

[ononimo]

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anybody else (you Jets fans out there) catch the Paul Hackett drink reference at the bar?

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3 parts failure, 1 part gyp.

classic.

does Herm moonlight as a screenwriter?

[riffraff]

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Line of the night goes to Hellmuth.
"I lost to the crime lord."

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I agree but you left out a word...
"I lost to the friggin' crime lord!"

I love the "flashback hand" when Phil got the best of Matador.. All the money goes in on the turn:

Phil's hand: A /images/graemlins/heart.gif5 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif
Matador's hand: 6 /images/graemlins/club.gif7 /images/graemlins/club.gif

Board: 3 /images/graemlins/club.gif4 /images/graemlins/club.gif6 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif7 /images/graemlins/heart.gif

How dramatic that one was! 9 /images/graemlins/spade.gif river... "Ole!!" lol

[david050173]

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If anything, they've had too many blanks fall after the money goes in.

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You have to remember this is live poker. It is not rigged the way internet poker is /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Toy4x4]

Judging from the length and content of this thread, Tilt is a raging success. I would watch it, but I don't have cable or satellite. This thread is a lot like listening to gear heads talk about The Fast and The Furious. They all claim to hate it, but, ironically, they know every car and every 'mistake' in the movie. Hmmmm, I think someone's watching.

[theRealMacoy]

ok ok i admit it i like tilt.
sure it isn't "real poker" but hey what tv show is actually real. i mean it is laughable that people get bent because it is not true poker. show me one tv show that is real. csi, now that must be exactly and completely accurate. sure.

anyway, since this show is unavailable to we canadians i am looking for a torrent file?

link to a torrent anyone (i have scoured the web)?

bueller?

cheers,
the Real Macoy

[Kevmath]

They're doing casting calls for another season of Stump the Schwab. EOE is now working on ESPN Hollywood, while they downgrade the mess that was Cold Pizza, which has gone from a GMA type of show with sports mixed in, to a straight sports news program where you can listen to the verbal stylings of Woody Paige and Skip Bayless. Around the Horn was better when it had Max Kellerman, but when he went off to FSN to create the blatant ripoff I, Max it didn't work out too well.

Kevin...

[riffraff]

Remember the last episode is on Sunday night! It's pretty obvious Eddie will win heads up... and Matador gets taken down by the FBI. Without the latter it wouldn't really be that big of a crushing blow tho.. I mean 2nd place isn't exactly "losing" .. He only got 2.5M.. we really stuck it to him!

[mostsmooth]

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Remember the last episode is on Sunday night! It's pretty obvious Eddie will win heads up... and Matador gets taken down by the FBI. Without the latter it wouldn't really be that big of a crushing blow tho.. I mean 2nd place isn't exactly "losing" .. He only got 2.5M.. we really stuck it to him!

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but doesnt matador need $5mil to buy into the casino like he wants to?
2.5 aint gonna cut it!!

[MonkeeMan]

The most unrealistic poker content of the whole series is that the three stooges all make the final 100, and Miami and Eddie the final table. Appears as if Clarke misses the final table, probably off screwing the FBI.

[jojobinks]

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Remember the last episode is on Sunday night! It's pretty obvious Eddie will win heads up... and Matador gets taken down by the FBI. Without the latter it wouldn't really be that big of a crushing blow tho.. I mean 2nd place isn't exactly "losing" .. He only got 2.5M.. we really stuck it to him!

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but doesnt matador need $5mil to buy into the casino like he wants to?
2.5 aint gonna cut it!!

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dude, don't you know how easy it is to triple that up, then double it?

[RacersEdge]

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Remember the last episode is on Sunday night! It's pretty obvious Eddie will win heads up... and Matador gets taken down by the FBI. Without the latter it wouldn't really be that big of a crushing blow tho.. I mean 2nd place isn't exactly "losing" .. He only got 2.5M.. we really stuck it to him!

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They'll probably get him for taking chips during the tournament and make him forfeit his winnings. Either that, or maybe there is a rule about committing murder during the tournament..

[jojobinks]

did anyone mention yet?:

-how much time participants in the championship appear to have away from the table. matador went to reno to commit murder. miami is hunting guys down, etc. my impression is that there's 8-10 hours a day, PLUS breaks. doesn't that sort of wreck the rest of your day?

-on the hand when matador put "sunshine" in with 99 (or whatever he had), weren't there players left to act before the flop when he gave his speech about delta airlines?

-eddie lost a hand!

[Hauser_III]

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-eddie lost a hand!

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I can just see the screenwriters thinking to themselves, "You know, if Eddie always wins, viewers aren't going to think this show's realistic." They showed Matador losing a hand, too, in the Hellmuth flashback.

Yep, that solves all the realism problems for me...

[jojobinks]

miami was trying to warn him too. did that scene happen before or after their conversation about how eddie didn't want to use signals anymore? is it possible that he didn't fold b/c he didn't want to get busted for colluding?

oooooooh! i forgot my most hated moment of the episode:
hellmuth, who is clearly the chip leader at the moment, bluffs matador out of a pot. after matador folds, hellmuth says "you make that call, you bust me." huh???

[goldseraph]

Of course they all made the top 100!! As we have seen , they are all so supremely skilled they never have a losing night. Whenever they go to play in a game, they come back toting sacks full of loot.... it was nice to see Eddie lose his first hand though, only to set up a bit more drama for his triumphant victory I'm sure!

[jojobinks]

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Of course they all made the top 100!! As we have seen , they are all so supremely skilled they never have a losing night. Whenever they go to play in a game, they come back toting sacks full of loot....

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you, sir, are being sarcastic. i think.

[RacersEdge]

OK, I think some of you are being a little too snooty in watching this show - do you expect a 10 minute dialog between Eddie and the Matador on the value of using a stop and go?

Think of about every sports movie out there - like Hoosiers or The Natural - doesn't the "river card" always hit in sports movies - i.e. the last second jump shot goes in for the heroes - the 2 strike, 2 out pitch in the bottom of the ninth is a towering series winning drive into the light fixtures?

If a topic becomes a show, by definition it has to take some poetic license to create an interesting story for the other 99% of the population watching it..

[MonkeeMan]

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As we have seen , they are all so supremely skilled they never have a losing night. Whenever they go to play in a game, they come back toting sacks full of loot....

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Miami and Eddie have both lost, not sure about Clarke.

[phifediggy]

uhhh this is what the trailer shows for the finale (don't read if you don't want to know):
<font color="white">
eddie 66
matador AK
board AK69

matador motions all-in

could the river be a king?</font>

[Toy4x4]

Yeah, everyone is being very snooty. They know every detail of every show, yet they hate it with a passion. Why not just watch something else if its that bad?

[Soul Daddy]

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on the hand when matador put "sunshine" in with 99 (or whatever he had), weren't there players left to act before the flop when he gave his speech about delta airlines?

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This bothered me as well. There were two players between them, and possibly the dealer. Made zero sense.

[phifediggy]

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link to a torrent anyone (i have scoured the web)?

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http://www.btefnet.net/gettorrent/tilt.s01e08-tvl.[BT].torrent

[Daliman]

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anybody else (you Jets fans out there) catch the Paul Hackett drink reference at the bar?

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3 parts failure, 1 part gyp.

classic.

does Herm moonlight as a screenwriter?

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Wasn't it one part gin?

Who is Paul Hackett, btw. Seems a pretty obscure refernce. Was Dennis Miller sighted around the writer's room?

[Daliman]

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on the hand when matador put "sunshine" in with 99 (or whatever he had), weren't there players left to act before the flop when he gave his speech about delta airlines?

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This bothered me as well. There were two players between them, and possibly the dealer. Made zero sense.

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Yeah, and you gotta love the confident call with KJo for about 90% of his chipstack. Course, what more do you expect from a guy who reraised clark with top set while there were 2 straights on the board.

[Soul Daddy]

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on the hand when matador put "sunshine" in with 99 (or whatever he had), weren't there players left to act before the flop when he gave his speech about delta airlines?

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This bothered me as well. There were two players between them, and possibly the dealer. Made zero sense.

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Yeah, and you gotta love the confident call with KJo for about 90% of his chipstack. Course, what more do you expect from a guy who reraised clark with top set while there were 2 straights on the board.

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But that 6 minted him! /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[BellyBuster7]

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show me one tv show that is real. csi, now that must be exactly and completely accurate. sure.


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True enough. My company has a forensics lab, and those guys bitch about CSI like we do Tilt. /images/graemlins/ooo.gif

[LargeCents]

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Mike Golic? Man, was I really not paying attention tonight.



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Seeing Golic was about the only thing that perked my attention watching Tilt in the background, as usual. I think ESPN is onto something! They need to sprinkle more ESPN staff into this show. It's the only thing I can hope at this point. Imagine Jim Rome playing a wisecracking dealer at the final table. Heck, put Tony Kornheiser and Michael Wilbon at the final table, driving Matador insane by debating the durability of Chad Pennington in the pocket. Matador, "Stop reexamining every miniscule, excruciating minutae of popular sports. Check out my bathroom hooker, and my toilet paper roll of $1,000 bills.". Kornheiser, "I have no use for a hooker, I had my genetalia removed years ago to optimize my sports analyzing abilities.". Wilbon, "I had my entire lower body removed, for similar reasons, but wouldn't mind using a $1,000 bill to wipe slobber from my mouth as I salivate while contemplating Lebron James."

More ESPN cameos please! Put Boomer at the final table yelling "back back back back" when he starts to bluff. Let Mel Kiper Jr do the mock TV commentary. He can't be any worse than Norman Chad. Maybe get John Madden in there, and let him start blubbering about days of yore when they wore leather helmets when they played poker. Make Tilt as ridiculous as possible. It's the only thing that's going for it right now. Corn city!

[Cleveland Guy]

Did anyone else think it was great how the other "Champ" at the table called a huge all in by the internet wiz kid on like the first day?

Champ had QQ
Internet Kid had kx (J?)

Flop K 3 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif 4 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif

Kid ALL in Champ calls???????

[Beavis68]

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show me one tv show that is real. csi, now that must be exactly and completely accurate. sure.


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True enough. My company has a forensics lab, and those guys bitch about CSI like we do Tilt. /images/graemlins/ooo.gif

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So do I, and I don't know anything about forensics, that show sucks.

[toots]

I have the same general reaction to any show that attempts to use any technology.

The Blade Runner photo enhance: Someone takes a still out of a DV frame (what is that? 720x480?), and zooms and pans through multiple mirrored surfaces, eventually enhancing to a crystal sharp image of something that probably took up about four pixels in the original full-frame source.

I'm hacking as fast as I can: Some super-whiz cracks a 2048 byte encryption key by typing furiously on his keyboard for five minutes.

I flunked basic chemistry. Actually, I've only seen this in a Highlander movie. Lab tech takes a tiny sliver of metal, looks at it under a microscope and exclaims "This has been pounded out and folded 500 times!"

Foley Guys Gone Wild: Cell phones that have dialtone and similar gaffes.

I've been asleep for the last two decades: "Keep him on the phone long enough to trace the call!" Or, look at the caller ID box. (I mean, c'mon, even if the CallerID is blocked, TPC does have the records of every call placed.)

Now why, oh why would I consider a show about poker to be any more factual?

[MonkeeMan]

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The Blade Runner photo enhance: Someone takes a still out of a DV frame (what is that? 720x480?), and zooms and pans through multiple mirrored surfaces, eventually enhancing to a crystal sharp image of something that probably took up about four pixels in the original full-frame source.

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How about in Twin Peaks when they take a photo of a dead body (with the eyes open) and blow it up enough to see who took the picture in the eye's reflection. Gold, Jerry, gold.

[Hold'me]

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Did anyone else think it was great how the other "Champ" at the table called a huge all in by the internet wiz kid on like the first day?

Champ had QQ
Internet Kid had kx (J?)

Flop K 3 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif 4 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif

Kid ALL in Champ calls???????

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He had JJ. Don't mean to be a stickler. /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[Gordon Scott]

It has got to be a comedy. The poker hands are way to stupid. It has to be an attempt at dry humor directed at poker players by the writer.

Just MHO, I can't see any other explanation or reason not to show more realistic hands.


Scott

[cab4656]

This show is so confusing. I have no idea what's going on with two of the characters:

Lowball: First he's a bad guy, then he's a good guy, now he wants to be a bad guy again? I have to think he's setting them up for some sort of inside job.

Matador: When he gave that little speech about how it felt good to play by the rules again, I thought for sure we were finally being set up for the big Don Everest face turn. Apparently not, because he went and killed somebody two minutes later. Oh well.

I hate to say it, but I can't wait for the finale. It's only an hour long, though. They are going to try to tie up all these storylines at once and it will be a disaster.

[KJS]

So Phil has the chip lead calls Matador's QQ with J8s and goes all-in on A High flop after Matador checks. Matador folds.

Phil: "You make that call and I'm busted."

How does this stuff make it into the final cut?

KJS

[Soul Daddy]

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Matador: When he gave that little speech about how it felt good to play by the rules again, I thought for sure we were finally being set up for the big Don Everest face turn.

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Nice.

Maybe he wants to be a face in the poker world, but remain "the friggin' crime lord." Kind of like when Jerry Lawler was a face in Memphis and a heel everywhere else.

[OrangeKing]

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Matador: When he gave that little speech about how it felt good to play by the rules again, I thought for sure we were finally being set up for the big Don Everest face turn.

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Nice.

Maybe he wants to be a face in the poker world, but remain "the friggin' crime lord." Kind of like when Jerry Lawler was a face in Memphis and a heel everywhere else.

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This is actually one of the few things that felt right about the show to me. The Matador missed the old days, when he just played poker, loved it, and won by outplaying the competition. But he's been in the dark side of Vegas for too long...and other than a day here and there, there's really no going back.

[Brain]

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anybody else (you Jets fans out there) catch the Paul Hackett drink reference at the bar?

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3 parts failure, 1 part gyp.

classic.

does Herm moonlight as a screenwriter?

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Wasn't it one part gin?

Who is Paul Hackett, btw. Seems a pretty obscure refernce. Was Dennis Miller sighted around the writer's room?

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I also thought it was gin, but I can see it being gyp (sp?) as well. Paul Hackett was the New York Jets' offensive coordinator for the past 4 years (after being head coach at USC and see where their program is now) and many of us frequently booed his conservative playcalling.