Can I make this turn call?

[blackaces13]

I think its extremely close.

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Preflop: Hero is CO with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. UTG+2 posts a blind of $0.5.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+2 (poster) checks, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, Hero calls, Button calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB checks.

Flop: (6.50 SB) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 bets</font>, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, BB folds, UTG+2 calls, MP2 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (7.25 BB) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
UTG+2 checks, MP2 checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, UTG+2 calls, MP2 folds, Hero...?

[jaxUp]

I call

I give you 1.75 outs for the 8s
3.75 outs for the Qs

5.5 outs = enough to call getting 9.25:1

[blackaces13]

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I call

I give you 1.75 outs for the 8s
3.75 outs for the Qs

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3.75 outs for the Q's is WAY too generous IMO. The Qs puts the flush out and the others will only win me a split pot the majority of the time so their value must be discounted as a result that I'm drawing to less than the whole pot.

I'm thinking more like 2 outs for the Queens but there are some implied odds there if someone gets caught in a whipsaw with 2 pair or something.

5.5 outs = enough to call getting 9.25:1

[jaxUp]

3.75 is too generous, but I don't discount too much for the flush, it was backdoor and we're only 3-way. that was my discount of 0.25 which I stand by. I failed to consider the possibility of split. 2-2.5 would be acceptable, which means you have 3.75 to 4.25 outs. With implied odds, it's a call for me, but a fold isn't disastrous.