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bozlax

03-09-2005, 09:48 PM

It's an ordinary PP, Wednesday evening table, fairly laggy. What should hero do on the river?

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif.
2 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, Hero raises, 5 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
UTG+2 checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (5.25 BB) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
UTG+2 checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls.

River: (8.25 BB) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
UTG+2 checks, MP1 checks, Hero ?

Shillx

03-09-2005, 09:50 PM

Betting probably has value here, but the opponents you talk about are the type that will call all the way with a naked ace hoping to catch. Since you can check and see a showdown, I don't think anything is wrong in doing so (again I feel like betting does have value though). If you were out of position, you would certainly have to bet in this spot.

Brad

jaxUp

03-09-2005, 09:50 PM

I probably value bet this. 2nd pair might call. A lot of worse queens will call, and there's no guarantee they have an A just because one hit

bozlax

03-09-2005, 10:10 PM

You and Brad exactly summed up my 15-second thinking process before checking and beating 55 from one opponent, and a pair of 3s with a flush draw from the other one. What finally clinched it was realizing that for a medium-sized pot I'd have a hard time calling a raise with second pair only...I'd DO it, don't get me wrong, but I'd hate it. I just couldn't imagine what they'd be running to the river with other than, at worst, ace-rag.

LoaferGee12

03-09-2005, 10:59 PM

If you bet this river and are raised I think you have to fold this.