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sy_or_bust
03-09-2005, 05:43 PM
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Preflop: Hero is SB with 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB folds, MP1 calls, MP3 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, Hero calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP1 folds, MP3 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, Button calls.

River: (12.50 BB) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, Button calls.

Final Pot: 18.50 BB
davelin
03-09-2005, 05:46 PM
There was no pre-flop raise.
Entity
03-09-2005, 05:47 PM
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There was no pre-flop raise.

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True, but this hand still kicks ass.

I like every single street.

Rob
Dead
03-09-2005, 05:48 PM
I like 3betting the flop. If they are fish they will gladly call two cold like it's their job. I think you missed out on some bets here.
davelin
03-09-2005, 05:49 PM
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There was no pre-flop raise.

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True, but this hand still kicks ass.

I like every single street.

Rob

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You like the stop n' go for the trap on big street versus 3-betting the flop?
dkernler
03-09-2005, 05:49 PM
I love river cards like this. That is, except when I hold xx/images/graemlins/heart.gif and not 99. /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Nice hand.
davelin
03-09-2005, 05:50 PM
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I like 3betting the flop. If they are fish they will gladly call two cold like it's their job.

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Don't think I didn't see your unmarked edit /images/graemlins/wink.gif
Entity
03-09-2005, 05:51 PM
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There was no pre-flop raise.

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True, but this hand still kicks ass.

I like every single street.

Rob

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You like the stop n' go for the trap on big street versus 3-betting the flop?

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Yup. I think that if they're likely to call two more on the flop they're likely to call one on the turn, but I'm rarely getting raised on the turn after 3-betting the flop.

Rob
sy_or_bust
03-09-2005, 05:52 PM
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There was no pre-flop raise.

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Yikes, that typed out wrong. Oh well, I guess I meant that I didn't raise it. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif
davelin
03-09-2005, 05:53 PM
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There was no pre-flop raise.

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Yikes, that typed out wrong. Oh well, I guess I meant that I didn't raise it. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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I think completing here is fine.
Dead
03-09-2005, 05:54 PM
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I like 3betting the flop. If they are fish they will gladly call two cold like it's their job.

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Don't think I didn't see your unmarked edit /images/graemlins/wink.gif

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The only thing I edited out was "assuming the MPs are fish". /images/graemlins/wink.gif
ErrantNight
03-09-2005, 05:54 PM
well you should raise preflop... and likewise i'm inclined to 3-bet the flop...

and while it kinda seems like your stop 'n' go got him excited, it's also possible you missed out on some overcalls of a 3-bet from MP1 and MP3 on the flop, and that you might have gotten just as much action played faster
davelin
03-09-2005, 05:55 PM
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I like 3betting the flop. If they are fish they will gladly call two cold like it's their job.

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Don't think I didn't see your unmarked edit /images/graemlins/wink.gif

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The only thing I edited out was "assuming the MPs are fish". /images/graemlins/wink.gif

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Not the only thing I saw but okay /images/graemlins/smirk.gif
Dead
03-09-2005, 06:00 PM
I also added "like it's their job". Nothing else of relevance was edited. =p
Entity
03-09-2005, 06:01 PM
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well you should raise preflop... and likewise i'm inclined to 3-bet the flop...

and while it kinda seems like your stop 'n' go got him excited, it's also possible you missed out on some overcalls of a 3-bet from MP1 and MP3 on the flop, and that you might have gotten just as much action played faster

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I think the stop and go line here is good, and while a preflop raise would probably be fine, I think completing is fine too. I don't think raising 99 from the SB adds a whole lot to your bottom line.

Rob
Shillx
03-09-2005, 06:03 PM
Expert play if I must say. Well done.

Brad
ErrantNight
03-09-2005, 06:04 PM
i think the stop 'n' go here was definitely the strongest play... jus' thinkin' out loud with the alternatives