Pharoah's club needs focus: to ten and others [Archive]

jojobinks

03-09-2005, 02:36 PM

the various threads are all over the place. i think we need to get some decisions made; the scrambled nature of discussion is driving me a bit batty.

the nature of this decion-making, as i far as i can tell, is that Ten absorbs all the white noise, makes decisions based on that absorption, guides the artists, and then posts pics.

ten: lay those mock-ups on us, man. we need to refocus discussion.

TenPercenter

03-09-2005, 03:28 PM

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the various threads are all over the place. i think we need to get some decisions made; the scrambled nature of discussion is driving me a bit batty.

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ten: lay those mock-ups on us, man. we need to refocus discussion.

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I understand your frustration, and I could see it coming. I feel the same way. But I honestly feel that posting designs that aren't up to my own standards is not the way to go. That will cause even more confusion, and will not help speed up the process.

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the nature of this decion-making, as i far as i can tell, is that Ten absorbs all the white noise, makes decisions based on that absorption, guides the artists, and then posts pics.

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This is SPOT ON! This is exactly how it works. And when you say "noise," boy do you mean it! There are a lot of opinions out there, and I happily put myself in the position to vet all of them and make an informed decision.

Take any one of those polls from this week, and see if you can count the different ways that someone wants to go. That's normal and expected. I don't always go the way that the majority does, but I usually do. And it's normal that everyone agrees with me, even if I don't state my opionion first. That means I'm REALLY going the right way.

Sometimes someone points out an option that I hadn't thought of. Like the idea of having ALL DENOMINATIONS, but also having some blanks of one of them. This was an excellent idea, and will likely be what I do. SO I think these polls and discussions are very healthy for the process, and are what will make this set (like my last one), great by collaboration.

Please be patient, we want it done right. I don't want a half-baked design going into production, and every time I see a ceratin chip I cringe, thinking I could have waited three more days to have a perfect $25 chip (or whichever).

Ten

jojobinks

03-09-2005, 03:52 PM

i'm patient. it's easy to be patient when i don't have the money yet, exactly. and this is a grand undertaking, so i know it takes time. but this forum has been jacked up with all these threads.

mostly venting. i appreciate what you do, and look forward to seeing the pics.

TenPercenter

03-09-2005, 03:58 PM

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i'm patient. it's easy to be patient when i don't have the money yet, exactly. and this is a grand undertaking, so i know it takes time. but this forum has been jacked up with all these threads.

mostly venting. i appreciate what you do, and look forward to seeing the pics.

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If one was clever enough, one could actually find pictures of my current favorite mockups of ALL the chips. If one was clever.

That'll keep a lot of people busy...

Ten

Lumpy

03-09-2005, 04:12 PM

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If one was clever enough, one could actually find pictures of my current favorite mockups of ALL the chips. If one was clever.

That'll keep a lot of people busy...

Ten

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You mean like this
http://lightningsolutions.net/images/chips/big/black.jpg

/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Do I win a free chip?

jojobinks

03-09-2005, 04:16 PM

o golly. i see...thanks lumpy

jojobinks

03-09-2005, 04:18 PM

red is my favorite. what happened to the pyramids?

toots

03-09-2005, 04:22 PM

Once again, the word "stoked" seems to be inexplicably worming its way back into my working vocabulary.

Lumpy

03-09-2005, 04:25 PM

If those are Ten's favorites they do look fantastic. The whole set looks great. They work very well together.

smoore

03-09-2005, 04:38 PM

All round inlays though /images/graemlins/frown.gif

jojobinks

03-09-2005, 04:40 PM

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All round inlays though /images/graemlins/frown.gif

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/images/graemlins/frown.gif i guess we had to get real about our options.

TenPercenter

03-09-2005, 04:40 PM

I already knew Lumpy had it figured out.

Everyone, look if you want, but dont post. I'm taking them down as soon as I have time...

Ten

Lumpy

03-09-2005, 04:40 PM

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All round inlays though /images/graemlins/frown.gif

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That's true. I was concentrating on the inlay image and didn't notice. I really, really ,really hope inlay shapes are possible.

Lumpy

03-09-2005, 04:43 PM

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I already knew Lumpy had it figured out.

Everyone, look if you want, but dont post. I'm taking them down as soon as I have time...

Ten

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Sorry. I can never resist a challenge. I'll remove it if you want.

duma

03-09-2005, 04:57 PM

/images/graemlins/mad.gif [censored] BS! i missed the pic! DAMMIT !!! /images/graemlins/mad.gif

BreakEven

03-09-2005, 05:09 PM

You...patient? Maybe I haven't read all your "patient" posts yet. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

BTW, I don't think anyone's post count has accelerated more than yours with respect to this chip set. You gotta beware of carpal tunnel at worst or at least fatigue if you keep up your current post rate. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

I hear ya on the cash. I have the money but explaining to my wife why $1,000+ for paulson chips is a good investment is falling on somewhat deaf ears. I guess she recognizes the difference between a good investment and a fun/whimsical investment. Especially since 90% of my poker time is online.

Spooky

03-09-2005, 05:11 PM

You've got to have something to shuffle while you play right?

Mars357

03-09-2005, 05:14 PM

I just made it...VERY sexy Ten! Trust a fellow Texan to come up with an amazing design and idea.. I can hardly wait.

Mars

PS. I found six....are there more than that??

jojobinks

03-09-2005, 05:17 PM

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You...patient? Maybe I haven't read all your "patient" posts yet. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

BTW, I don't think anyone's post count has accelerated more than yours with respect to this chip set. You gotta beware of carpal tunnel at worst or at least fatigue if you keep up your current post rate. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

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/images/graemlins/blush.gif I s'pose that's true.

Lumpy

03-09-2005, 05:19 PM

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PS. I found six....are there more than that??

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7, you missed one.

audiopostman

03-09-2005, 08:20 PM

orange, white, green, red, purple, black and blue

Black is awesome, but your right about the others needing more work.

Do I get to be called clever now?

Mars357

03-09-2005, 09:16 PM

grabed the purple one.... I'm really liking this idea...

aero918

03-10-2005, 12:23 AM

I think they look good; however, I would have preferred only 3 edge marks instead of 4. The edge marks are too busy and are so dominate that they make the inlay graphics seem like a secondary feature instead of the primary one.

Civiliste

03-10-2005, 12:33 AM

I still don't care much for the new Paulson colors, but DAMN Ten, your inlays make em look sooooo good.

Is that a somewhat accurate representation of the rumored 'new' mold that Paulson is going to be using on their home chips?

-Zak

TenPercenter

03-10-2005, 12:39 AM

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I still don't care much for the new Paulson colors, but DAMN Ten, your inlays make em look sooooo good.

Is that a somewhat accurate representation of the rumored 'new' mold that Paulson is going to be using on their home chips?

-Zak

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Only as I "expect" and as the artist showed me (without my asking). We officially know nothing. Just going off instincts.

Ten

TenPercenter

03-10-2005, 01:00 PM

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I still don't care much for the new Paulson colors, but DAMN Ten, your inlays make em look sooooo good.

Is that a somewhat accurate representation of the rumored 'new' mold that Paulson is going to be using on their home chips?

-Zak

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Only as I "expect" and as the artist showed me (without my asking). We officially know nothing. Just going off instincts.

Ten

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Wow. "The Artist" sent a rendering this morning. I asked him to take the background from behind the pyramids. He was reading the forums and decided to show me how the chips would look IF Paulson puts concentric cirlces on them.

EVERYONE cross your fingers that they do, because these would look incredilbe!

Ten

http://lightningsolutions.net/images/chips/big/red.jpg

jojobinks

03-10-2005, 01:01 PM

are you saying you don't like the background? i think it's really nice.

jtr

03-10-2005, 01:07 PM

It's amazing what a difference that simple circle makes. That $5 chip is much more of an improvement on the original than I would have imagined.

TenPercenter

03-10-2005, 01:10 PM

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are you saying you don't like the background? i think it's really nice.

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No, I liked it too. But it wasn't fitting well with the other chips. I felt that they all needed to eithe r HAVE a background, or none at all.

Ten

Lumpy

03-10-2005, 01:11 PM

I love the blue sphinx with the background. /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

jojobinks

03-10-2005, 01:14 PM

you know, from that illicit preview i got yesterday, i thought the background of the $5 was great. i agree that it was weird that the others didn't have it though.

that's too bad that it didn't work out with the others. the pryamid $5 is pretty sweet. when do we anticipate that the new mold will be available to see? not until they arrive in april?

X-Files

03-10-2005, 01:43 PM

This looks awsome so far. I know it is just a early mock up.

bubbafry

03-10-2005, 05:21 PM

I think I like the backgrounds also. It might look good to have backgrounds on all the chips that match the color of the chip (red background on red chip, green background on green, etc). You could have a beige background on the white chip and grey or orange or light blue background on the black chip. Or, maybe you could match the background to the edge spots in all the chips. The reason I like the background on your blue chip so much is that it matches the chip. It *might* look even better if the background is a gradient of the chip color and the edge spots (like the blue is - blue to light blue). The shade of the backgrounds would have to be chosen carefully so that it doesn't dominate the chip, but the backgrounds look good IMO.

TenPercenter

03-10-2005, 05:51 PM

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I think I like the backgrounds also. It might look good to have backgrounds on all the chips that match the color of the chip (red background on red chip, green background on green, etc). You could have a beige background on the white chip and grey or orange or light blue background on the black chip. Or, maybe you could match the background to the edge spots in all the chips. The reason I like the background on your blue chip so much is that it matches the chip. It *might* look even better if the background is a gradient of the chip color and the edge spots (like the blue is - blue to light blue). The shade of the backgrounds would have to be chosen carefully so that it doesn't dominate the chip, but the backgrounds look good IMO.

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We did this on many different designs, and yes, it DID look good. For a few different reasons, I've decided against it.

1. Cohesion: If we cant have it all the images, then none is better. The theme rules.
2. Future color changes: What if Paulson decided to use a different shade of clay later? The gradient no longer matches.
3. Classic look: The fancier we get, the less these are a "classic" design. One simple image per chip is as far as I think I should go.

Those are the three that come to mind. Plus, I think it'll just look a bit better without the background "blob's as I call them. Icon-on-white looks classy to me.

Ten

bandfan

03-10-2005, 05:59 PM

wow the circles on that mock-up look amazing. i really hope they are moving in that direction (paulson that is)

TenPercenter

03-10-2005, 06:17 PM

NIX THE MOLD CHANGE.

I confirmed with Trademark that they are keeping the SAME mold, but allowing the Grand inlay now, to fill the whole flat area.... (EVEN BETTER!)

Now we can really push for inlay shapes!

Ten

smoore

03-10-2005, 06:22 PM

<powers>
Yeah baby, YEAH!
I know how you like it baby! You like it GRAND and SHAPED!
YEAH!
</powers>

toots

03-10-2005, 06:29 PM

stoked.

That's all, just:

stoked.

(Actually, I prefer the standard inlays with a reasonable mold, but if the grand inlay allows different inlay shapes, I'm all for it. And, I'm enough of a Paulson sycophant that I'll buy 'em however they come.)

bubbafry

03-10-2005, 06:32 PM

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1. Cohesion: If we cant have it all the images, then none is better. The theme rules.
2. Future color changes: What if Paulson decided to use a different shade of clay later? The gradient no longer matches.
3. Classic look: The fancier we get, the less these are a "classic" design. One simple image per chip is as far as I think I should go.

Those are the three that come to mind. Plus, I think it'll just look a bit better without the background "blob's as I call them. Icon-on-white looks classy to me.

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1. Why couldn't they put backgrounds on all the images? I'm no graphics designer, but it seems like it shouldn't be that difficult.

2. Maybe I'm misunderstanding this point, but as long as the backgrounds match OUR chips, in my mind it doesn't matter what future colors they might choose. If future chips are different I probably wouldn't mix them with the Pharaoh's Club set anyway.

3. Agree. (but backgrounds are still better /images/graemlins/tongue.gif) Your blue chip is so gosh darn pretty with the background, it's like the perfect chip. And the background is so unique. I guess the "classic" look to me isn't as important as having the best looking chip possible, and IMO the background doesn't make it "unclassic" (is that a word??).

Anyway, you da boss, no biggie to me. I like the chips both ways, but if we go without background, I'll always have fond memories of the blue chip with sphinx and blue background ::sigh::. Maybe I can buy a 64 pack of Crayolas and color in the backgrounds, think that'll work?

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I confirmed with Trademark that they are keeping the SAME mold, but allowing the Grand inlay now, to fill the whole flat area.... (EVEN BETTER!)

Now we can really push for inlay shapes!

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That is really cool, I much prefer Grand inlay over the small inlay. And I really, really, really prefer inlay shapes over round. Crossing my fingers...

coyote

03-10-2005, 06:51 PM

Wow, these are looking great, although I didn't get the full preview like the others did. nuts.

Anyway, I prefer the background on the image as well, but I haven't seen how they look on the rest. Just liked the sky background on the pyramids.

RagleGumm

03-10-2005, 07:38 PM

wow, I love this chip http://lightningsolutions.net/images/chips/big/red.jpg

I thought that the white background looked rather dull with the green mold but this is an amazing looking chip.

On the other hand, I'd preferably own chip without denoms and "Casino"/"Club"/"Casino & Club" written on them but that's just me.

bubbafry

03-10-2005, 07:43 PM

Regarding the backgrounds again, if we are able to get different inlay shapes it might be better to go without backgrounds because I think it would look too busy with both (especially the cog shaped inlay).

jojobinks

03-10-2005, 07:45 PM

agreed. the inlay shapes are what i was most excited with in the beginning.

the art will be great, i'm sure; the inlay shapes are what are going to make this set kill, though.

duma

03-10-2005, 09:39 PM

http://img129.exs.cx/img129/2609/paulsonsamples8va.jpg

pic copied from the other forum. i personally like the 2nd one. the grand inlay covers up some of the edge spots "bleed-in". what do you guys think?

House of Payne

03-10-2005, 10:11 PM

So the "Giant" inlay is the 3rd chip from left, correct?

I can't help but think that with all this extra canvas Ten is about to paint a second masterpiece. Once completed, these might possibly be more sought after than the Paulson Vineyards.

TenPercenter

03-10-2005, 10:25 PM

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http://img129.exs.cx/img129/2609/paulsonsamples8va.jpg

pic copied from the other forum. i personally like the 2nd one. the grand inlay covers up some of the edge spots "bleed-in". what do you guys think?

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Honestly, I hope they fill the inlay area. #3 please.

Ten

TenPercenter

03-10-2005, 10:28 PM

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So the "Giant" inlay is the 3rd chip from left, correct?

I can't help but think that with all this extra canvas Ten is about to paint a second masterpiece. Once completed, these might possibly be more sought after than the Paulson Vineyards.

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No, the third one is Grand. 1-1/16th". Giant is #4.

Ten

House of Payne

03-10-2005, 10:36 PM

I feel like such an idiot. Sorry for the confusion. I was trying to make sure I understood which one Paulson was now offering. It's still number 3, but I should have called it Grand.

ledavatar

03-10-2005, 11:31 PM

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Though I like the grand inlay, I personally love the giant inlay #4 the most from all my casino chips. I don't know if anything beyond the grand inlay (#3) is possible from this order though. The giant inlay will increase the size of the fonts/graphics and most importantly mask the hideous "Paulson Chips" lettering in the mold. The mold doesn't bother me to the extent where I wouldn't buy the chips, it's just that I don't wannt to be staring at it all night while playing poker.

Anyone else feel the same?

Cin0s3

03-11-2005, 12:07 AM

I dont know, I dont find the mold that loud, it really doesnt stick out that much as it does in the photo's except on the white chips.

AZnuts

03-11-2005, 12:33 AM

Maybe I'm strange, but I very much dislike the giant inlays on Paulsons.

They just cover up the clay chip texture that I'm looking for, and give you a handful of inlay. If I wanted huge graphics, I'd get chipcos.

Wooderson

03-11-2005, 12:43 AM

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NIX THE MOLD CHANGE.

I confirmed with Trademark that they are keeping the SAME mold, but allowing the Grand inlay now, to fill the whole flat area.... (EVEN BETTER!)

Now we can really push for inlay shapes!

Ten

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Sweet. That is what I've been waiting to hear. Now let's PUSH for them.

X-Files

03-11-2005, 08:36 AM

Grand inlay, shapes and what I am sure will be a great design, I am all in.

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NIX THE MOLD CHANGE.

I confirmed with Trademark that they are keeping the SAME mold, but allowing the Grand inlay now, to fill the whole flat area.... (EVEN BETTER!)

Now we can really push for inlay shapes!

Ten

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Mars357

03-11-2005, 08:58 AM

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Maybe I'm strange, but I very much dislike the giant inlays on Paulsons.

They just cover up the clay chip texture that I'm looking for, and give you a handful of inlay. If I wanted huge graphics, I'd get chipcos.

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I very much agree with you! I have a friend who has a set of the old Paulson fan of cards chips. The graphic on those is so large that it covers half the TH&C on the outer edge... Why get a chip that has such a fnatastic mold, then slap a big sticker on it that hides a good part of what makes the chip so special....

zackallen

03-11-2005, 09:42 AM

why am I not clever enough to figure this out! Anyone who is more clever than I can email me where to get an unauthorized perview?!

TenPercenter

03-11-2005, 09:55 AM

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why am I not clever enough to figure this out! Anyone who is more clever than I can email me where to get an unauthorized perview?!

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I took them down. They qare not accessible to anyone now.

We are reworking the mockups since the announcement of the grand inlays. We'll still mock them up on round inlays until I can confirm that we are allowed to use shaped inlays.

Ten

zackallen

03-11-2005, 10:06 AM

ok, i feel a little less stupid.

For what it's worth, round inlay>*

Lumpy

03-11-2005, 10:16 AM

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round inlay>*

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There is an error in your formula
shaped inlay > round inlay

jojobinks

03-11-2005, 10:20 AM

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Maybe I'm strange, but I very much dislike the giant inlays on Paulsons.

They just cover up the clay chip texture that I'm looking for, and give you a handful of inlay. If I wanted huge graphics, I'd get chipcos.

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I very much agree with you! I have a friend who has a set of the old Paulson fan of cards chips. The graphic on those is so large that it covers half the TH&C on the outer edge... Why get a chip that has such a fnatastic mold, then slap a big sticker on it that hides a good part of what makes the chip so special....

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http://thecagles.com/pix/pharaoh_2.jpg

we're not talking about giant inlays, though, right? is there any question that the grand inlays find a balance between chip and inlay?

toots

03-11-2005, 11:13 AM

While I very much like the giant inlay (the fan of cards, for instance), Ten's design does indeed call for a much smaller inlay. It's just the nature of it: either a standard inlay, or a shaped grand inlay.

ott

03-11-2005, 05:05 PM

Using a standard inlay for the Paulson Chips and designing a shaped inlay to go with the graphics, you have to remember that you're working with less area for the graphics since the shaped part of the inlay cuts inwards towards the center and not outwards towards the edge of the chip. Therefore, smaller graphics for all the chips.

TenPercenter

03-11-2005, 05:09 PM

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Using a standard inlay for the Paulson Chips and designing a shaped inlay to go with the graphics, you have to remember that you're working with less area for the graphics since the shaped part of the inlay cuts inwards towards the center and not outwards towards the edge of the chip. Therefore, smaller graphics for all the chips.

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yes, we know. the artist is already trying to talk me out if it. he hasn't won just yet... /images/graemlins/smile.gif

ten

Lumpy

03-11-2005, 05:17 PM

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Using a standard inlay for the Paulson Chips and designing a shaped inlay to go with the graphics, you have to remember that you're working with less area for the graphics since the shaped part of the inlay cuts inwards towards the center and not outwards towards the edge of the chip. Therefore, smaller graphics for all the chips.

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yes, we know. the artist is already trying to talk me out if it. he hasn't won just yet... /images/graemlins/smile.gif

ten

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Don't give in! /images/graemlins/grin.gif

jojobinks

03-11-2005, 05:33 PM

shaped inlays! woohoo!

Lumpy

03-11-2005, 05:48 PM