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dacubbie

03-09-2005, 01:19 PM

SB - 26/6/1.4 through 120 hands
MP2 - 30/6/1.03 through 45 hands

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif. CO posts a blind of $1.5.
UTG calls, MP1 calls, MP2 raises, MP3 calls, CO (poster) calls, Hero calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (16.50 SB) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (9 players)
SB bets, BB folds, UTG calls, MP1 folds, MP2 raises, MP3 folds, CO folds, Hero calls, SB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (12.25 BB) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif (5 players)
SB bets, UTG calls, MP2 raises, Hero calls, SB 3-bets, UTG folds, MP2 caps, Hero calls, SB calls.

River: (25.25 BB) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif (4 players)
SB bets, MP2 calls, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, MP2 caps, Hero calls, SB calls.

Final Pot: 37.25 BB

DMBFan23

03-09-2005, 01:27 PM

this response coming in the form of a haiku.

solid call preflop
3 bet flop, push equity
maybe free turn card

davelin

03-09-2005, 01:28 PM

I'd fold pre-flop honestly. Everything else looked fine to me at first glance.

VTDuffman

03-09-2005, 01:32 PM

I like 3-betting this Flop, too. You gotta figure your Flush Draw + Gutshot (12 outs) are likely drawing to the best hand. Push that equity, hope you hit and no one has the dreaded Ax /images/graemlins/spade.gif

Everything else looks good, hope you took it down.

dark_horse

03-09-2005, 01:36 PM

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I'd fold pre-flop honestly. Everything else looked fine to me at first glance.

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After all those cold calls? C'mon, this was shaping up to be a big pot. I can't fold this PF. Just would have to hope it doesn't get 3bet or capped behind me.

davelin

03-09-2005, 01:46 PM

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I'd fold pre-flop honestly. Everything else looked fine to me at first glance.

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After all those cold calls? C'mon, this was shaping up to be a big pot. I can't fold this PF. Just would have to hope it doesn't get 3bet or capped behind me.

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I guess, there are lot more hands I'd rather cold-call here. Hero hit a beautiful flop for his hand, nice pot.

Thigh

03-09-2005, 02:17 PM

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SB - 26/6/1.4 through 120 hands

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Help please. Which stat numbers are these numbers referring to? Thanks.

Dead

03-09-2005, 02:20 PM

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SB - 26/6/1.4 through 120 hands

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Help please. Which stat numbers are these numbers referring to? Thanks.

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26 is VP$IP.

6 is PFR%

1.4 is total aggression(not including preflop)

So SB would be categorized as an sLA-P.

dark_horse

03-09-2005, 02:28 PM

what does sLA-P mean? why are you a distortedly wide and tan john kerry?

sfer

03-09-2005, 02:28 PM

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solid call preflop
3 bet flop, you want to cap
twelve outers are cool

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Improved your haiku, sir.

Thigh

03-09-2005, 02:28 PM

Thanks dead.

gvibes

03-09-2005, 02:48 PM

I don't think the cold call was bad preflop. The flop was going to be at least 6-way.

By the way, did anyone notice that the converter says that 9 players saw the flop, even though there were actually only 8?

Actually, it says that there were 9 players preflop as well, and I only count 8. Maybe someone was waiting to post.

DavidC

03-09-2005, 03:08 PM

I'm pretty sure you should raise the flop, because you've got 12 outs to near-nuts.

When MP2 caps the river, I'm very confused. You'd been just calling, so why would he go for the 3-bet/cap rather than just raising it?

What did he have, AA/QQ?

Nice pot, though!

DavidC

03-09-2005, 03:08 PM

Beautiful man, it brings a tear to my eye.

DavidC

03-09-2005, 03:11 PM

Given the action, I think it's damn-near impossible that anyone else had a flush.

Dead

03-09-2005, 03:11 PM

I have a feeling that MP2 has A /images/graemlins/spade.gif 10 /images/graemlins/spade.gif

DavidC

03-09-2005, 03:13 PM

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what does sLA-P mean? why are you a distortedly wide and tan john kerry?

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search for bisonbison's post: "notes on notes"

just punch his name in for user, the word note in subject, all forums, and last 3 years, and it should come up for you

dinero2433

03-09-2005, 03:13 PM

DavidC

03-09-2005, 03:16 PM

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I have a feeling that MP2 has A /images/graemlins/spade.gif 10 /images/graemlins/spade.gif

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It's possible I guess... if I were him I would have slowed down on the turn a bit though... Given the action, he's got to be wondering about the strength of his hand on the turn...

I figure it's more likely to be AA/QQ vs QQ/AQ/ some other two pair or set, more likely a set.

DavidC

03-09-2005, 03:17 PM

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<snapping fingers in approval while sipping a triple espresso and surfing the web on my iBook>

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Oh man, that brings back great memories of high school coffee house poetry.

Very chic.

The snapping imagery just brings it all back.

Take care, bro.

ErrantNight

03-09-2005, 03:42 PM

my /images/graemlins/heart.gif for you is TOTALLY under control. i swear.

and if it's not, my girl will start wondering where i go each night in a few days, anyway, and put the kebosh on my stalking.

should go write screenplay
or work on take home mid-term
instead: 2+2

my haikus=crap

dkernler

03-09-2005, 04:26 PM

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what does sLA-P mean?

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link (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=micro&Number=923884&Fo rum=,,f3,f21,,&Words=notes%20-re&Searchpage=2&Limit=25&Main=923884&Search=true&w here=sub&Name=5524&daterange=1&newerval=&newertype =w&olderval=1&oldertype=m&bodyprev=#Post923884)

3 parts
(pre-flop %) (pre-flop aggression) - (post-flop aggression)

L - loose
sL - slightly loose
T - tight

P - passive
A - aggressive
N - nuetral

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why are you a distortedly wide and tan john kerry?

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can't help you with this one. /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Zoelef

03-09-2005, 04:41 PM

*Novice Attack!*

Despite being inundated with "Cold-call = bad" I think this is okay here, especially between a poster and the blinds.

I agree with the "raise that flop" crowd. I don't agree that he has 12 outs; if the A /images/graemlins/spade.gif drops it could give any AQ (SB?) a boat. Still, 11 outs and that many players -> go-time. On the other hand, if someone's holding Ax/images/graemlins/spade.gif, you're even more screwed.

Edit: *sigh* I'm such a wuss. It's a sort of paradox - I can't put anyone on a single given card (A-spades), but I really do feel that either SB or MP2 has that and some other reasonable card (someone suggested that MP2 A10 spades; something to that effect).

TomBrooks

03-09-2005, 07:39 PM

I didn't read any other responses yet.

I would not raise on the river because you will often cause some hands to fold who might have called one bet with the second or third best hand, thereby earning you an extra bet or two. In this hand, the people behind you didn't fold, in fact they re-raised and capped, but I'm talking about what will usually happen.

In this particular hand, another reason I wouldn't raise the river is because you have a bettor, a caller, and two people to act behind you who 3bet and capped the turn. One of them might have spades with the Ace.

TomBk

TomBrooks

03-09-2005, 07:47 PM

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I'd fold pre-flop honestly.

[/ QUOTE ] I agree with dark-horse about calling preflop. You can call a raise with two suited broadway cards in late position in a loose game. Hero was on the button and as dark-horse pointed out there was a lot of money going into the pot, making a call even better. =TomBk

Entity

03-09-2005, 07:51 PM

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solid call preflop
3 bet flop, you want to cap
twelve outers are cool

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Improved your haiku, sir.

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Nice to have you posting in micros, homie.

Rob

bottomset

03-09-2005, 07:55 PM

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solid call preflop
3 bet flop, you want to cap
twelve outers are cool

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Improved your haiku, sir.

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Nice to have you posting in micros, homie.

Rob

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kapw7

03-09-2005, 08:44 PM

It's true this the highest A/images/graemlins/spade.gif hand he could have. But do you think a 30/6 player might raise at MP2 with that hand?