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DontRaisePlz
03-08-2005, 09:52 PM
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Preflop: Hero is CO with J/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif, 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (4.25 BB) K/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

River: (7.25 BB) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, Hero calls, BB calls.

Final Pot: 10.25 BB

UTG+1 was almost allin on the river. No reads otherwise. Thought I was open raising KJo.
btspider
03-08-2005, 09:57 PM
PF is fine.
bet the flop. you'll take it right there some % of the time. you might even have the best hand.
toss
03-08-2005, 09:58 PM
Yep you accidently made the right play.
DontRaisePlz
03-08-2005, 09:59 PM
Raising KJo vs. unknown UTG and UTG+1 limpers is a good thing now?
toss
03-08-2005, 10:01 PM
Well, its to buy the button and fold the blinds.
MrWookie47
03-08-2005, 10:06 PM
I think you could bet the flop, and fold to a check/raise. If you don't take the pot down right away, you'll likely get to take a free card. Checking the flop gets you a free turn card, but you'll have to pay a BB for a river or fold. I think you've gotta raise the turn here. No sense giving BB credit for an A. I wouldn't be surprised if he was thinking that his 77 may be good after all. If he 3bets you, well, you should probably fold, but I figure I'd end up calling down.
DontRaisePlz
03-08-2005, 10:20 PM
Out of curiosity, is raising clearly the optimal play in a situation w/unknowns? Or is it a deviation play that's still fundamentally correct?

What about using this play against weak/tight players? Fish? LAGs?
Emmitt2222
03-08-2005, 10:27 PM
vs. unknowns I wouldnt do it as the optimal play. I would definilty say that this is a doable play, but I would only do it with reads that they people behind you are tight. In the micros I think this is not right against unknowns when MP is not enough, only from LP.
JDErickson
03-09-2005, 12:31 AM
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Out of curiosity, is raising clearly the optimal play in a situation w/unknowns? Or is it a deviation play that's still fundamentally correct?

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Let me turn it around a little. Why wouldn't you raise here? WOuld you rather play KJo vs 2 opponents or 5? Would you rather have the button or not on the flop? In my opinion its much better to raise here than limp.