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dark_horse
03-08-2005, 05:36 PM
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Preflop: Hero is SB with J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (8 SB) T/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (6 BB) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB folds, UTG+1 folds, MP3 calls.

River: (8 BB) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP3 calls.

Final Pot: 10 BB
iluzion
03-08-2005, 05:42 PM
That looks like what I would do, as much as you hate to bet the river, I think its needed.
Jingleheimer
03-08-2005, 05:49 PM
Standard.
thesharpie
03-08-2005, 05:57 PM
Do you fold to a raise?
dark_horse
03-08-2005, 07:18 PM
I think I might have to. And against a thinking opponent, I could try that move myself regardless of what I have, depending on potsize. Anyone else?
Nick C
03-08-2005, 07:59 PM
The turn was already scary, especially with three opponents. I don't think the river makes things all that much worse (though, of course, hands like Q /images/graemlins/heart.gif T /images/graemlins/heart.gif and A /images/graemlins/heart.gif 6 /images/graemlins/heart.gif are possible).

Against a passive player, I like a bet-fold line, since a passive player will probably bet a straight or flush but might check behind with hands that you beat that he might have called with (like K9o and A6o). (Edit: Something else to at least consider though is that a passive player might also check behind with a hand he would have called with such as 97 that beats yours, because he's scared of the board too.)

Against a more aggressive player who will likely bet if checked to whether he has you beat or not (and who also might bluff something like KQo or KJo), I start thinking about check-calling instead.

And if you've seen MP3 bluff-raising on some rivers, I don't like a bet-fold line much at all.

I think that against many players, a bet-fold line would be best. However, the board is pretty obviously scary, so if MP3 has shown signs of trickiness, I'd be deciding between check-calling and bet-calling instead. I think I favor check-calling against a tricky opponent, actually.

One last edit: I think that, against an unknown, check-calling is all right here.