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Dead
03-08-2005, 04:02 PM
Geez I am catching cards like a wittle fishie.

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Preflop: Hero is CO with J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif. Hero posts a blind of $0.25.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP3 calls, Hero (poster) checks, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB checks.

Flop: (4.40 SB) K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, Hero calls, BB calls, MP1 folds.

Turn: (3.70 BB) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, MP3 calls, Hero calls.

River: (6.70 BB) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, MP3 calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9.70 BB

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG folds, MP1 calls.

River: (9.50 BB) 9/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 11.50 BB
Thigh
03-08-2005, 04:06 PM
I think I would have raised on the turn and the river, depending of course what happened on the turn. The only card ahead of you is a Qs.

I like the second hand.
jaxUp
03-08-2005, 04:08 PM
hand 1: raise the turn and go from there.

hand 2: nice.
Nick Royale
03-08-2005, 04:13 PM
Hand 1: I'm raising the river.

Hand 2: Perfect IMO.
jaxUp
03-08-2005, 04:14 PM
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Hand 1: I'm raising the river.


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This is superior to my initial response.
dkernler
03-08-2005, 04:24 PM
I'm not sure why you didn't raise the river on the first hand. I can see calling the turn so you get an additional 1 bet out of BB, (after he bets again and calls your raise) but I don't see a reason to just call. You're only afraid of one card.
Dead
03-08-2005, 04:25 PM
Yeah I should have raised it. That was my mistake in that hand. I was just so excited about getting good hand afte good hand that in my excitement, I guess I forgot.
dkernler
03-08-2005, 04:27 PM
At least you recognized it! I remember going on a massive 250BB upswing through my first 500 hands at a new level. Then reality set it... /images/graemlins/smirk.gif
Dead
03-08-2005, 04:28 PM
Oh yeah. Not sustainable.

But it's a welcome relief after coming out of an 150 BB downswing.
Nick Royale
03-08-2005, 04:32 PM
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That was my mistake in that hand.

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You didn't think you made a mistake in hand 2, did you? If so, what?
Buckmulligan
03-08-2005, 04:34 PM
First hand:

I would raise the flop. You might get someone to fold a King behind you.

Second hand:
I think the way you played it is ok, but would you have rather gone for overcalls on the turn and then raised the river? This would allow for two profitable situations:
1) a player behind you raises the turn, at which point you can jam.
2) a 4th diamond could make someone an expensive second best hand.
Dead
03-08-2005, 04:35 PM
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That was my mistake in that hand.

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You didn't think you made a mistake in hand 2, did you? If so, what?

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No my play in hand 2 was fine I thought. I protected my hand on the flop with a raise, killing plain overcard odds for the two players in EP.

In hand 1 I agree that I should have raised the river and called a 3bet.
waynethetrain
03-08-2005, 04:46 PM
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But it's a welcome relief after coming out of an 150 BB downswing.

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I would like to thank you for the honesty. I know I am far from expert, but I am also far from being a fish. I have had some horrendous and demoralizing downturns from time to time. It seems like the "close to impossible" is likely and losing is inevitable. I had one streak where I lost 6 straight huge pots on the river against 1 opponent with either 2 or 4 outs. When I finally won a couple of hands, they were naturally blind steals or against 1 opponent that folded the turn.

I know everyone says just get used to it etc... and this is not the place to talk about bad beats, but I think we are overlooking something in the educational process.

When you are in the learning phase and don't have 50K hands to help you determine clearly whether you are or winner or not, these downturns are horrendous.

The more often they are discussed and examined the easier it will be for those experiencing them to determine if they are losing because they are too weak for the level they are playing at or whether it is a legitimate run of poor luck.
Dead
03-08-2005, 04:47 PM
Good post.
JKetzer
03-08-2005, 04:52 PM
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When you are in the learning phase and don't have 50K hands to help you determine clearly whether you are or winner or not, these downturns are horrendous.

The more often they are discussed and examined the easier it will be for those experiencing them to determine if they are losing because they are too weak for the level they are playing at or whether it is a legitimate run of poor luck.

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Nick Royale
03-08-2005, 04:53 PM
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Second hand:
I think the way you played it is ok, but would you have rather gone for overcalls on the turn and then raised the river? This would allow for two profitable situations:
1) a player behind you raises the turn, at which point you can jam.
2) a 4th diamond could make someone an expensive second best hand.

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1) If UTG is planning to check/raise you aren't losing him by raising.
2) Draws will call the turn, but if they miss they will not call on the river. Charge them while they're willing to pay.
flopwell
03-08-2005, 04:59 PM
are you implying that he should have gone for the overcall on the turn?
LoaferGee12
03-08-2005, 05:06 PM
I think hand 2 would have been much more interesting if the 8 hadn't come. I'm curious what you are doing if a /images/graemlins/diamond.gif came that wasn't an 8 and same guy bet. What if an non /images/graemlins/diamond.gif came that was an overcard to you're 8 and same guy bet. How bout an undercard?
Dead
03-08-2005, 05:08 PM
Hero folds the turn if those happen I think.
Nick Royale
03-08-2005, 05:27 PM
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are you implying that he should have gone for the overcall on the turn?

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No, it could be an option since you're giving the other player bad odds to call with a /images/graemlins/diamond.gif bellow A. I like raising better, though
mmbt0ne
03-08-2005, 08:11 PM
Hand 1: I think raising the flop would be good here. 3rd nut flush draw, pair, being able to take a free card, it seems like a good play. I might be way off though.

Hand 2: I like the play all around.