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Fnord

03-08-2005, 12:56 PM

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Preflop: Fnord is Button with 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG raises, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, 1 fold, CO calls, Fnord calls, 1 fold, BB calls.

Flop: (12.50 SB) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif (6 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, CO calls, Fnord raises, BB folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 3-bets, MP1 calls, CO folds, Fnord calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (12.75 BB) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 bets, MP1 calls, Fnord raises, UTG folds, UTG+1 3-bets, MP1 folds, Fnord calls.

River: (19.75 BB) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
UTG+1 bets, Fnord raises, UTG+1 calls $4 (All-In).

Final Pot: 23.75 BB

How bad was this hand?

rmarotti

03-08-2005, 12:59 PM

We'll have to get together and compare notes on our sucking out methods. I don't think the coldcall PF is bad.

einbert

03-08-2005, 12:59 PM

I don't really like the flop raise, everything else looks good to me.

I don't think this is a bad call PF.

Jeffage

03-08-2005, 01:02 PM

You played it perfectly on every street. The coldcall preflop is simple with the button and multiway action.

Jeff

sean c

03-08-2005, 01:02 PM

Three cold callers ahead and position would make me wanna get in ths juicy pot. Why didn't you capp the turn?

krishanleong

03-08-2005, 01:03 PM

Cold-call isn't horrible. Flop raise I think is okay. I think calling is fine also. Turn is fine. River is fine. It's all fine. I hope he had 55.

Krishan

Fnord

03-08-2005, 01:03 PM

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Three cold callers ahead and position would make me wanna get in ths juicy pot. Why didn't you capp the turn?

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Because I was heads-up with a guy that call/3-bet the flop.

Fnord

03-08-2005, 01:05 PM

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I hope he had 55.

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You're close, 57 sooted.

Fat Nicky

03-08-2005, 01:07 PM

The only questionable street, IMO, is the flop. I can see the reasons for raising, but I like a call bet for the simple reason that so many players called the pre-flop raisers flop bet.

PokerBob

03-08-2005, 01:13 PM

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Preflop: Fnord is Button with 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG raises, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, 1 fold, CO calls, Fnord calls, 1 fold, BB calls.

Flop: (12.50 SB) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif (6 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, CO calls, Fnord raises, BB folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 3-bets, MP1 calls, CO folds, Fnord calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (12.75 BB) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 bets, MP1 calls, Fnord raises, UTG folds, UTG+1 3-bets, MP1 folds, Fnord calls.

River: (19.75 BB) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
UTG+1 bets, Fnord raises, UTG+1 calls $4 (All-In).

Final Pot: 23.75 BB

How bad was this hand?

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The preflop call is fine.

I'm not crazy about the flop raise, for reasons which are obvious (3-bet).

I think I'm capping the turn.

River is standard.

QTip

03-08-2005, 01:15 PM

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Three cold callers ahead and position would make me wanna get in ths juicy pot. Why didn't you capp the turn?

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Because I was heads-up with a guy that call/3-bet the flop.

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Still don't know why you didn't 3 bet the turn...take his money. Looks like a guy with AA in absolute denial that someone can be holding a 7.

flawless_victory

03-08-2005, 01:16 PM

played perfectly on every street.

QTip

03-08-2005, 01:17 PM

Take that back...missed the fact that is was UTG+1 who came back at you and not the PFRer. Although...I still might 3 bet.

sean c

03-08-2005, 01:20 PM

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Take that back...missed the fact that is was UTG+1 who came back at you and not the PFRer. Although...I still might 3 bet.

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I thought UTG+1 was the pre flop raiser also my bad.

jskills

03-08-2005, 01:25 PM

So cold calling with 57s and 87s is something I must now learn to do huh?

Sometimes I think that I don't know [censored] about poker ...

Jeffage

03-08-2005, 01:27 PM

It's pretty simple on the button with multiway action...this hand will win a very large pot if it hits. Obviously, if someone raised utg and there is one coldcaller, you'd fold it.

Jeff

PokerBob

03-08-2005, 01:27 PM

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So cold calling with 57s and 87s is something I must now learn to do huh?

Sometimes I think that I don't know [censored] about poker ...

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87s is much stronger than 57s. You also want the button in these instances, and multi-way action.

Fnord

03-08-2005, 01:32 PM

This play won't make you rich, but being the blind little follower I am, I'm trying to take Nate's "you play too tight" post to heart.

Redeye

03-08-2005, 02:00 PM

I really don't like the flop raise. I don't think you have enough equity to raise for value in this spot so the raise must be for a free card. I don't think you'll get this often enough for it to be worth it. With so many players, UTGs bet probably is a little more likely to be a made hand than overcards, although not always. If not, and he doesn't 3-bet, there's a great chance someone else could bet into you on the turn.

Some people were posting some old favorite threads in the Hold'em forum, and I was reading an old one of Clarkmeister's about 5 things LL hold'em players need to unlearn. The first one was the free card play, and while in real passive games like those seen at 2/4 and some 3/6 games this play often works, for the most part I don't think it works very much in spots like this.

Anyways, just my thoughts, I'd like to hear if you thought your raise was for value or if you we're trying for a freebie.

Fnord

03-08-2005, 02:04 PM

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Anyways, just my thoughts, I'd like to hear if you thought your raise was for value or if you we're trying for a freebie.

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Some of both. I was also kind hoping that UTG might do something silly like 3-bet AK. It was a quick decision, I regretted it the split second before I got 3-bet by UTG+1 and if I had to do it again I would just call.

lil'

03-08-2005, 04:04 PM

The whole hand was played well from start to finish.

Sarge85

03-08-2005, 04:14 PM

Ni Han.

I think the smoothcall is ok on the turn, if you still feel he'll bet the river.

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jt1

03-08-2005, 04:33 PM

Your post just taught me that if 3 players cold called a pfr and all 3 called the flop, chances are one of them flopped a set.

QTip

03-08-2005, 04:48 PM

The stars were aligned for this play to be correct here...continue with caution.

QTip

03-08-2005, 04:49 PM

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Your post just taught me that if 3 players cold called a pfr and all 3 called the flop, chances are one of them flopped a set.

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What?

Fnord

03-08-2005, 04:58 PM

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Your post just taught me that if 3 players cold called a pfr and all 3 called the flop, chances are one of them flopped a set.

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A lot of hands are calling that flop. Heck, given the players involved and that flop, I think it takes more than 1sb to get just about anyone who likes to cold-call pre-flop to fold.

jt1

03-08-2005, 05:05 PM

i guess your right. i was being too results oriented

me454555

03-08-2005, 05:25 PM

I'd rather smoothcall the flop, I dont know how much value there is in raising it and I dont think your going to eliminate enough opponents. The idea of opening yourself up to a 3 bet isn't too good either.

rest of the hand is fine.