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David100
03-08-2005, 08:39 AM
http://www.twodimes.net/poker/?g=h&b=&d=kh+10h+5h&h=kc+8c%0D%0AAs+8h

i cannot figure how the A8 hand can be soo much of a favorite
SuitedSixes
03-08-2005, 08:42 AM
The A has the K dominated. The flush possibility doesn't do much to offset the common 8. Run the same thing with K8o to see the difference. Or give the K another live card, like a 7, or add straight possibilities with a 9.
David100
03-08-2005, 08:45 AM
the straight is unlikely. so i give it 1 out? flush draw = 9, ace = 3. 13 outs = 48.1% not 74% as it says?..
SuitedSixes
03-08-2005, 08:47 AM
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the straight is unlikely. so i give it 1 out? flush draw = 9, ace = 3. 13 outs = 48.1% not 74% as it says?..

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When you are dealing with probability, the word unlikely has to be factored in.
se2schul
03-08-2005, 08:49 AM
That is called domination. Since the 8 is used by both hands, only a king can help the dog.

Try plugging these in:

kc 7c
As 8h

K7 is worse than K8, but it does better against A8 because there is no domination (ie a 7 or a K helps the dog).
Jman28
03-08-2005, 08:50 AM
You put the board cards under the 'dead cards' which makes this very similar to a preflop matchup between the two.

-Jman28
SuitedSixes
03-08-2005, 08:53 AM
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You put the board cards under the 'dead cards' which makes this very similar to a preflop matchup between the two.

-Jman28

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This is the proper pre-flop set up. (http://www.twodimes.net/poker/?g=h&b=&d=+&h=kc+8c%0D%0AAs+8h)

Now you're looking at 70.8% - 29.2%
David100
03-08-2005, 08:57 AM
My bad. thanks Jman. put in dead cards by mistake. thought it was wrong...
Jman28
03-08-2005, 08:58 AM
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You put the board cards under the 'dead cards' which makes this very similar to a preflop matchup between the two.

-Jman28

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This is the proper pre-flop set up. (http://www.twodimes.net/poker/?g=h&b=&d=+&h=kc+8c%0D%0AAs+8h)

Now you're looking at 70.8% - 29.2%

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Yes, but I think he was interested in the postflop matchup with a paired K and the flush draw.

-Jman28
Jman28
03-08-2005, 09:00 AM
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My bad. thanks Jman. put in dead cards by mistake. thought it was wrong...

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No problem.

Check out pokerstove at www.pokerstove.com (http://www.pokerstove.com)

It's a really good free program for hand matchup probabilities.

-Jman28