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Chris Daddy Cool

03-08-2005, 04:38 AM

I went through some of my hand histories and ran across this hand.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

saw flop

Button ($682)
SB ($1081.75)
Hero ($860)
UTG ($1108)
UTG+1 ($259.75)
UTG+2 ($1135.25)
MP1 ($3161.75)
MP2 ($1175)
MP3 ($1518.5)
CO ($953.75)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. SB posts a blind of $5.
UTG calls $10, 5 folds, CO calls $10, Button calls $10, SB (poster) completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($50) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (5 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, CO bets $40, Button folds, SB folds, Hero raises to $100, UTG calls $100, CO calls $60.

Turn: ($350) K/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, CO checks.

River: ($350) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)

Whats my plan?

KaneKungFu123

03-08-2005, 05:29 AM

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I went through some of my hand histories and ran across this hand.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

saw flop

Button ($682)
SB ($1081.75)
Hero ($860)
UTG ($1108)
UTG+1 ($259.75)
UTG+2 ($1135.25)
MP1 ($3161.75)
MP2 ($1175)
MP3 ($1518.5)
CO ($953.75)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. SB posts a blind of $5.
UTG calls $10, 5 folds, CO calls $10, Button calls $10, SB (poster) completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($50) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (5 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, CO bets $40, Button folds, SB folds, Hero raises to $100, UTG calls $100, CO calls $60.

Turn: ($350) K/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, CO checks.

River: ($350) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)

Whats my plan?

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raise more on the flop. push all in if it suits you.

Chris Daddy Cool

03-08-2005, 05:32 AM

ok. thanks for answering my river question.

KaneKungFu123

03-08-2005, 06:40 AM

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ok. thanks for answering my river question.

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what is ops image of you? if he has a FH, woudl he expect you to bluff the river or would he check raise the turn? woudl he be passive/shitty enough to check the turn here with three Kings? Has he been playing draws agressively? woudl he try to throw you off your hand with that turn check?

gomberg

03-08-2005, 10:23 AM

I know you're asking about the river, but your flop check-raise is absolutely terrible. If you do decide to semibluff raise there, it best be much bigger than that. The problem is that you are building a big pot out of position with a draw. All of a sudden the pot is pretty large in relation to your stack on a brick turn. You're lucky you got a free card - so you're probably up against a monster or a KQ type hand. I'd probably bet around $250 on the river and fold to a big raise. If you think your opponents are more likely to bluff, then check / call can't be too bad (but the free card turn has to worry you that you may not get a bet).

turnipmonster

03-08-2005, 11:37 AM

I agree about the flop checkraise, but with 750 left and the nut flush in a 350 pot, there is no way I'm putting any amount of money in and then folding. the turn getting checked is somewhat disturbing however.

--turnipmonster

gomberg

03-08-2005, 11:51 AM

Would you just have to lose your stack here then? I feel like checking can't be right as a K from a bad player may call this bet, but would never bet himself. It's hard to imagine a sane player raising here w/out a boat.... rough spot.

turnipmonster

03-08-2005, 12:03 PM

well the turn getting checked in a 3 way pot is less disturbing than HU, since if someone has underfull they want to extract value from anyone that has a K and will probably bet. so to me that cuts down somewhat on the likelihood someone is full.

in addition to this UTG sure looks like he had a flush draw, so perhaps the best play is to check it. actually, UTG could have a monster as well. tough spot indeed.

--turnipmonster