77. Questionable flop 3-bet?

[Catch of the Day]

Pretty standard 3/6 table at Party.

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. MP3 posts a blind of $3.
Hero calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (13 SB) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises</font>, CO folds, Button calls, SB folds, BB folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, MP2 calls, Button calls.

Like the 3-bet or no?

Turn: (11 BB) A/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP2 folds, Button calls.

I was betting any card here. But was done with the hand after that. Comments?

River: (13 BB) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: 13 BB
<font color="#009B00">Main Pot: 13 BB, between Button and Hero.</font>

Thanks,

Catch-

[Argus]

I like the flop 3-bet alot, since odds are that preflop raiser is on over cards that missed this flop, and there's not even a flush he can be pumping. The raise seems a standard play by the raiser to clear the field, which you appreciate too.

Betting this turn card will often fold 99-KK held by the right player, but I'd fold to a raise and agree that putting in anymore bets is unwise.

I think this hand was well played.

[spydog]

I like it. I probably raise this preflop, but limping is fine.

[QTip]

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I probably raise this preflop

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Is this a joke?

[Super Pro]

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I like it. I probably raise this preflop, but limping is fine.

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raising 77 UTG in a full ring game is terrible. limp.

[Super Pro]

i like the way you've played it.

and you should check fold to a river bet.

[jason_t]

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I like it. I probably raise this preflop, but limping is fine.

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What?

[Chris Daddy Cool]

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I like it. I probably raise this preflop, but limping is fine.

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What?

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[thatguy79]

I agree that this was played well, but I'd definitely call this for one bet on the river if necessary. it's 13 BB, you probably have the best hand, and many people will bet with a very broad range of hands when checked to on the river. No way I'm walking away from this one for one bet.

[Super Pro]

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it's 13 BB, you probably have the best hand, and many people will bet with a very broad range of hands when checked to on the river.

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no way in hell do you "probably have the best hand" if the villian bets. and exactly what very broad range of hands will he have here on the river that he will bluff with? think man think.

[sean c]

I would check/call the river also. You don't have to catch a bluff very often here to make this a good play. Laying down your hand here for 1BB heads up in a 13BB pot is bad.

[chief444]

78, any two overcards. I think folding this river to one bet would be bad. You do understand that you don't need to "probably have the best hand" right Super Pro...now my new favorite poster?

Edit...add 22 and 44 to that also.

[thatguy79]

checking to him on the river is an invitation for many to bluff with nearly any two cards. Chances are he has unimproved overcards, a busted strait draw or a five. I'll not let him steal this pot when i have a pair above second highest on the board, especially since that 3 almost certainly didn't help him and he's shown no aggression since the flop (which he didn't cap).

[Super Pro]

mp2 was the preflop raiser, he doesn't have 87 and most players would fold a KQ-KT type hand on the turn when the A pops up. so that pretty much leads to a pair that is going to showdown.

if you think calling is best, fine, i'm goint to calm down my fighting words a bit before the whole board hates me, but i just want to point out that the post i responded to said that the hero's hand was "probably best" which i thought was clearly not the case.

[jason_t]

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and you should check fold to a river bet.

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check/calling &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; check/folding.

Check/folding is sucky and stupid.

[chief444]

MP2 folded the turn. Button's done nothing but call.

[Super Pro]

ok fine. i haven't bad mouthed you yet and here you go mocking me. really classy.

but i will take the high road and stand by my original statement. there's just not many hands that the villian will have that he will bet this river with. how often will KQ make it past the turn when the A hits?

[Entity]

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mp2 was the preflop raiser, he doesn't have 87 and most players would fold a KQ-KT type hand on the turn when the A pops up. so that pretty much leads to a pair that is going to showdown.

if you think calling is best, fine, i'm goint to calm down my fighting words a bit before the whole board hates me, but i just want to point out that the post i responded to said that the hero's hand was "probably best" which i thought was clearly not the case.

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You misread the hand. MP2 folded the turn, and Button is left. Check-calling the river is fine.

Rob

[jason_t]

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ok fine. i haven't bad mouthed you yet and here you go mocking me. really classy.

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I did post a /images/graemlins/tongue.gif next to the subject line. Chill.

[Super Pro]

LOL. this is the second hand i've misread today. i'm sorry. yes, check/calling is fine. but in the scenerio i pesented with MP2 still in the hand i think its a clear check and fold.

[Super Pro]

LOL. i misread the hand (again!). i feel so silly now. yes, calling a bet from the button would be correct. but if it was mp2 instead then i think its a clear check and fold (as I said to chief)

[pshabi]

Logoff, begin nap. Now.

[chief444]

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but in the scenerio i pesented with MP2 still in the hand i think its a clear check and fold.

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It's certainly a much different situation. Personally, I think a bet would be best in that case because it will often have a good chance of getting a better pocket pair to fold. It depends on the opponent. But you're right that in that situation it's much closer to a check/fold.

[Redeye]

Am I the only one who thinks the flop 3-bet is bad?

[Catch of the Day]

BTW. It went Check, Check on the River and MHIG.

Thanks all the for replies.

Catch-

[CallMeIshmael]

CDC and others,

Is raising UTG here really THAT bad in a game where you think the raise will see 1-2 calls while you think the pot will be about 4 handed with a limp.