AJo in SB/BB. Complete with any 2 suited in SB? [Archive]

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Sykes

03-08-2005, 02:00 AM

I'm reading SSHE as I'm 2-tabling Party's .5/1 and it says not to raise with AJo in the blinds? Why is this?

Also in tight games, it says to complete with any 2 suited. Personally I do not see the odds you are getting if you have 82s and there is only 1 limper in.

davelin

03-08-2005, 02:05 AM

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I'm reading SSHE as I'm 2-tabling Party's .5/1 and it says not to raise with AJo in the blinds? Why is this?

Also in tight games, it says to complete with any 2 suited. Personally I do not see the odds you are getting if you have 82s and there is only 1 limper in.

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Your position sucks with the AJo. AJs I think is a fine raise. For your 2-suited question, I don't complete junk suited at least with 2 limpers, maybe more.

Sykes

03-08-2005, 02:07 AM

Yet my position is so much better when I raise utg or utg+1 with AJo?

That makes 0 sense

davelin

03-08-2005, 02:11 AM

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Yet my position is so much better when I raise utg or utg+1 with AJo?

That makes 0 sense

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There's a wide difference between being the SB and being UTG+1. And I think there are opportunities to raise AJo in the BB (for example with one or two weak limpers in).

jaxUp

03-08-2005, 02:13 AM

Depends on your competition with AJo in the blinds. I like to raise against 2 weak opponents, or usually any 1 limper (unless he's really really tight). The thing is, you do have slightly better position in UTG or UTG+1. There will almost always (at the micros) be somebody acting before you, and that's better than opening into 2+ opponents.

If your postflop play is reasonably good, you can raise a single limper, or maybe 2 weakies IMO.

EDIT: Also open-raising from UTG or UTG+1 limits the field, whereas raising from the blinds only builds the pot, doesn't drop anybody out. AJ is not great multiway.

Sykes

03-08-2005, 02:29 AM

So what's the consensus on this hand?

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
3 folds, MP1 calls, 2 folds, CO calls, 1 fold, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) A/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players)
Hero bets, BB raises, MP1 calls, CO calls, Hero 3-bets, BB caps, MP1 calls, CO calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (10 BB) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP1 bets, CO calls, Hero calls, BB calls.

River: (14 BB) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, MP1 calls, CO folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 17 BB

davelin

03-08-2005, 11:13 AM

Lost to a boat?

LoaferGee12

03-08-2005, 11:18 AM

Without the Jc i'm dropping the turn.

GrunchCan

03-08-2005, 11:19 AM

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So what's the consensus on this hand?

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
3 folds, MP1 calls, 2 folds, CO calls, 1 fold, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) A/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players)
Hero bets, BB raises, MP1 calls, CO calls, Hero 3-bets, BB caps, MP1 calls, CO calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (10 BB) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP1 bets, CO calls, Hero calls, BB calls.

River: (14 BB) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, MP1 calls, CO folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 17 BB

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The biggest reason why you raise AJo UTG but not in the blinds is b/c part of the reason you raise it UTG is to try to fold people behind you. When you are in the blinds, this isn't possible.

Bet the turn.

Dead

03-08-2005, 11:22 AM

I don't complete 82s without at least 3 limpers to me, usually. I don't think it gains enough profitability.

And I don't raise AJo in the blinds because your position sucks and I like to keep the pot smaller for the flop. I raise AQo there here for equity.

Sykes

03-08-2005, 06:20 PM

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Lost to a boat?

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Yep. But how was my line?

davelin

03-08-2005, 06:22 PM

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Lost to a boat?

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Yep. But how was my line?

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Pre-flop, flop and turn are fine. Not sure how about the river. Pretty sure you're beat, hate folding for one more bet in a pot this size but I hate overcalling here as well.