still learning is this wrong call or bad beat?

[samdar]

ok .25/.50 table on pokerroom.com

Hero UTG AJ off suit raise .50
folds around button +1 calls
button raised
sb calls
bb calls
hero calls
button +1 calls

flop:
Kc 10d 2h

checks around button raises .25 (at this point i put him on a set)
calls all around

turn Qc (gives hero top straight)
hero bets 50
calls around
button raises
sb,bb call
hero raises (caps)
all call
river card:
10
checks around:
button bets .50

given pot odds I call
as i feared he had the house button +1 low end straight, ss, bb?

I know I should have folded to the last bet but I wanted to see what he had to make sure my read of his betting was right plus it only cost me 1 bet. Was I wrong to keep reraising after I hit my straight or should i even have stayed in the had chasing the gut shots? My pot odds where right to call the .25 bet on the flop but was I correct on the turn?

Still learning so comments always helpful.

Future WSOP champion Samdar

[SteveL91]

As far as I can tell, you played it fine.

I wouldn't put the button on a set from the get-go, but it would be in the back of mind. On the turn, you played it fine as far as I can tell. You hit your straight, you kept betting.

You couldn't fold the river for one bet with the nut-straight, so don't beat yourself up about that.

[jaxUp]

Good flop call pot was 7.5BB by my count. You had odds to draw.
Don't assume the set on the flop just because he bets. That's seeing monsters.
Bet the river and call a raise.

FOLDING THIS RIVER IS RETARDED. <font color="red">RETARDED </font>

[Catt]

It's really helpful if you also include the pot size at each street so that we can figure what the pot is offering when the action is to you without having to try and count from the beginning.

That said, a couple of comments:

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ok .25/.50 table on pokerroom.com

Hero UTG AJ off suit raise .50
folds around button +1 calls
button raised
sb calls
bb calls
hero calls
button +1 calls

flop:
Kc 10d 2h

checks around button raises .25 (at this point i put him on a set)

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I don't see how you can put him on a set here. Sure, he could have one, but he could have a wide variety of hands here -- a bet from the button when it is checked to him is really not all that uncommon, and certainly not uncommon if the button raised pre-flop. He could have a K; he could have a T; he could have AQs; he could AJo; he could have 99; he could have QJs; he could have 76s . . . I could go on for quite some time, but my point is that the button could have a wide, wide, wide range of hands and still be betting this flop given the action thus far. There's no way you can put him on a set here with any reasonable degree of confidence.

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. . . calls all around

turn Qc (gives hero top straight)
hero bets 50
calls around
button raises
sb,bb call
hero raises (caps)
all call
river card:
10
checks around:
button bets .50

given pot odds I call
as i feared he had the house button +1 low end straight, ss, bb?

I know I should have folded to the last bet

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I don't know the pot size and am not going to figure it out, but since it was multiway, 3-bet pre-flop; bet on the flop; capped on the turn; I am guessing it was an enormous pot. Folding an A-high straight in a pot this size, and given the prior action, just because the board paired on the river would be horribly, horribly, horribly horrible.

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. . . but I wanted to see what he had to make sure my read of his betting was right plus it only cost me 1 bet. Was I wrong to keep reraising after I hit my straight

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On the turn you have the nuts; you may possibly be splitting; you really can't be behind at this point so not capping would be a very bad idea (when everyone is coming along for the ride anyway).

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. . . or should i even have stayed in the had chasing the gut shots?

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Same point about not knowing the pot size, but I'd venture a wild guess that you had the odds to continue to the turn (even if the action got a little wild on the flop). Sometimes your strong hands lose to stronger hands; sometimes you're winning on the turn and los on the river; it's poker.

Edit: Wow! It took me so long to compose this post that two others got in ahead of me. Same advice as the others.

[GrunchCan]

Welcome to the forums.

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checks around button raises .25 (at this point i put him on a set)

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Don't do this. Don't put your popponent on a single hand. Put him on a probable range of hands. There are several hands that will act the same way. Put yourself in villan's shoes. Suppose you had AA. Would you do anything different? What about QQ? AK?

It is critical that you get out of the habit of putting your opponents on a single hand. Why?
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river card:
10
checks around:
button bets .50

given pot odds I call

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Becasue you nearly folded becasue of what you put your opponent on. Folding the river for one bet would have been a disaster. A disaster.

[samdar]

thx for the advice. I will list the pot size and odds in future posts.

samdar

[gasoltub]

Isn't it very marginal to raise AJo from EP? Especially in that limit where there are usually lots of people seeing the flop?

[wax311]

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Isn't it very marginal to raise AJo from EP? Especially in that limit where there are usually lots of people seeing the flop?

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Yeah I was just going to say - raising AJo from UTG is not good. I play .25-.5 and there are on average 4.2 people seeing the flop. Call situation, sure, but not raise.

[jaxUp]

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Isn't it very marginal to raise AJo from EP? Especially in that limit where there are usually lots of people seeing the flop?

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Depends on the table IMO.

[SteveL91]

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Yeah I was just going to say - raising AJo from UTG is not good. I play .25-.5 and there are on average 4.2 people seeing the flop. Call situation, sure, but not raise.

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It's irrelevent either way. If you want to limp, limp; if you want to raise, raise. It's purely an individual thing. Personally, I'm usually raising with AJo.

[adsman]

AJo in early position is my biggest losing hand. I fecking hate it.

That said, I still normally raise.

[Bokonnon]

How do we know he has a set? You'll see AK or KQ often here.

[GrunchCan]

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Isn't it very marginal to raise AJo from EP? Especially in that limit where there are usually lots of people seeing the flop?

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There was just yesterday a bunch of threads here about AJo in EP. Including a poll.

I raise AJo UTG 100% of the time.

[samdar]

i was guessing on the set because hw only limped for called several times but has always raised no matter what the action to him with a pp even 22. I figured he would not reraise so much because of the high cards on the board unless he hit the set. It could have been AA or a flush draw but he did not chase many striaghts or flushes for the 50 or so hands he was at the table. It may have been a wrong read but based on what he has been playing/raising that was what I assumed.

[Cooker]

He didn't reraise on the flop, he bet when everyone checked to him. The last preflop aggressor bets (and frequently raises) on the flop virtually every time. You are telling us that when everyone says, "We have nothing" and then he bets it means he has at least the 3rd nuts at the time? This is seeing monsters under the bed. To me his bet on the flop says,"I got dealt 2 cards" and nothing more than that. Given his preflop 3 bet I would have a range of hands for him. According to your read he could have any PP (just curious, if he didn't continue to bet or call after the flop with unimproved pocket pairs, how did you know he was raising them every time preflop?) AK, and possibly AQ (highly read dependent). I say he bets any of these on the flop once everyone has checked to him.. The pot is huge so your call is correct. Great, you have the nuts on the turn so raise every chance you get. However, trips has a strong redraw (9 outs) and since the pot is huge, he is probably correct to draw out on you if he indeed has trips. His raising on the turn is clearly incorrect if he has trips and knows you have the straight, but he certainly should see the end once you reraise.

In the future, don't post the outcome, only post the hand up until the decision you have trouble with, that way we can examine it objectively the way you did when you were playing. Knowing the outcome, it is hard to be objective about what bets and raises are correct.

[dkernler]

Why do you put the button on a set (KK or TT) simply because he 3-bet PF and bet when checked to on the flop? No reason to fear a set based on that.

Oh, and you didn't cap on the turn - you only 3-bet. It's hard to analyze the way you've written it. Use the convertor (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi).

[Bradyams]

Also, how many people were calling to the showdown on the river?

If there were more players in the hand, would it be correct to raise the river? I mean, the guy does have the nut straight. The button would probably play AA, AK, or KQ the same way (of course depending on his style).

[dkernler]

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I raise AJo UTG 100% of the time.

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