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Akimka

03-07-2005, 09:35 AM

MP1 VPIP 26, PFR 2 (count him as slightly-loose passive)
MP2 VPIP 20, PFR 0 (count him as tight-passive)

As i think it is a 100% fold. Are you agree? What about turn& flop? Bet here, right?

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Preflop: Hero is Button with 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) 6/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, SB folds, BB folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (4 BB) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
MP1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, MP1 raises, MP2 calls, Hero folds.

chief444

03-07-2005, 09:50 AM

I think the your postflop play is terrific.

I raise this preflop always.

jt1

03-07-2005, 09:55 AM

your on the button so theres no need to go for overcalls. raise pre-

Akimka

03-07-2005, 10:04 AM

My call was dictated by SSH - where said that when you against two loose players just limp instead of raise. You said that it's OK to raise 2 slightly loose players. Why?

chief444

03-07-2005, 10:11 AM

If the blinds are super loose than limping is probably OK, although I'd still probably raise. If the blinds are tight not raising I think is pretty bad since 88 will win pretty often 3-handed.

jt1

03-07-2005, 10:41 AM

you raise to push out the blinds.

chief444

03-07-2005, 11:09 AM

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you raise to push out the blinds.

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Yeah. That's a big reason. And even if they're like 75% VP$IP I probably still raise. 88 in position is just too good. Even with 4 opponents you probably win 20% plus and raising preflop likely gets you a free look at the turn if you so desire.

ErrantNight

03-07-2005, 02:36 PM

raise prefrop.

nice laydown.

LowDown22

03-07-2005, 03:08 PM

Is it not worth calling the raise on the turn getting immediate odds of 9-to-1 and closing the action? We may have 4 outs here to the full house or our flush draw may be live as well. I'm not sure, it seems kind of close to me, and since we're going to be last to act on the river I'd probably call here. Is that a bad play?