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pointcount
03-07-2005, 08:15 AM
In retrospect I don't think the river was a value bet here...

From memory both villans are 30ish VPIP PFR around 7

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Preflop: Hero is Button with Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 4/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG+1 checks, MP3 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (6.75 BB) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG+1 checks, MP3 checks, Hero checks.

River: (6.75 BB) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG+1 checks, MP3 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP3 calls.

Final Pot: 9.75 BB

Reef
03-07-2005, 08:25 AM
hmm.. I just hate AQo vs. a pfr. But he is in MP3, so a 3-bet is the way to go, I guess.

I don't bet this river 3 handed

Yeknom58
03-07-2005, 08:27 AM
This is just silly...heads up - yea bet it...players left are tight- yea bet it...againsts 2 opponents who are fairly loose-check.

ArturiusX
03-07-2005, 08:55 AM
Im too afraid of a check-raise and a wasted bet.

I check.

pointcount
03-07-2005, 09:00 AM
I'm not so much afraid of a check-raise here as I am thinking this was pretty stupid. I can't remember what was going through my head at the time, something along the lines of villans both had overs (hence the checked turn) and I was probably best.

Looking back at it now it's definately a check. I'd bet it HU though. Thanks for the reality check.

Buckmulligan
03-07-2005, 10:27 AM
I actually like the bet if the board is a little scarier, because then you would be getting 6.5:1 on a bluff, but with that board, you are not going to get very many made hands to fold, nor are you probably going to have the best hand at SD.

toss
03-07-2005, 11:44 AM
I wouldn't bet this. I don't see any better hands folding much and I don't see many worse hands calling either.

davelin
03-07-2005, 11:46 AM
I'm rarely value-betting A-high on the river. Even in HU situations.

__Q__
03-07-2005, 12:00 PM
I'd prefere a bet on the turn to a bet on the river. Atleast then you have a shot at picking up the pot. I wouldn't necessarily bet THIS turn, though. The river bet probably will only get called by better hands, I think checking just saves you a bet in the times when you are behind.

MHarris
03-07-2005, 12:56 PM
Don't value bet this river when you have position against 2 players. There is no value here. You won't get a better hand to fold and worse hands are unlikely to call. You've been given a free showdown, so take it.