rules question

[Mark H]

home game hi lo split cards read hand 1 AA224 hand 2 33456 arguement 1 side ace can be played hi or low so A224A is a better low pr 22 one A high
one low other side AA224 is 2pr 33456 is low any responce appriciated

[Easy E]

I've NEVER heard of a game rule where a pair of Aces can be considered high (a pair of Aces) and low (1 and Ace) in a split game.
It's a split pot, IMO. Aces have enough power hi/lo, they don't need any more help.

[hutz]

chop the pot. i've never seen or played in a game that had rules to the contrary.

Aces can be high or low, is that the question ? If Aces are given the power to be hi or low in the same hand than of course the can be split. Rules such as this should be properly defined at the beginning of the session and then there should be no problem. Poker can and is a very flexible game and the host should default to house rules if a question arises.

It plays as a pair of aces. Everything else aside, the only correct way to play poker is this.
Rules should be inforced because that's the way it's always been. Check-raise is not allowed. Anyone should be allowed to read anyone else's hand at any time[cards read] An ante of 1 dollar should be established-no more no-less. minnows are lo The only game that is really poker is 7 card stud hi-lo with a spinner.

With regard to my previous post I'll also add that all home games should be played "qually"

[Jimbo]

Try any Omaha8 game online or in a casino. Aces are Hi and low in this game. Or for that matter Jacks back, aces are the highest pair high and the lowest pair low. Or any split pot game with no Qualifier a pair of lone aces could easily win high and low.

Jimbo

In my home game when playing a high-low its usually 8 or better but when playing draw lowball (A5) we play that while aces are the lowest card they are the highest pair. It is a fairly rare occurance where this comes in to play mostly because we don't play a lot of hands and has never come up in razz.

Differnces of opinion do arise and should be resolved as they seem to resurface. Poker is complex especially in home games as it is played so many ways. Rules should be well-defined.Consider the players involved,who is capable of making a sound decision ? In every game some players have little knowledge and are content to just play along.however, this does not prevent them from offering an opinion. Others may understand the game. Trust their judgement. If you have and attorney or an MBA in the group trust their judgement. It is usually well thought out. Never trust the judgement of used car salesmen, travel agents or feather merchants. They tend to pacify and rarely use logic in their opinion.

Nope, I hadn't run into a game where the AA counted as low and high in the same hand, or where a pair of Aces could be considered low and high.
would that mean that AA234 would beat 2265K for both high AND low? If it would, why would you EVER play without an Ace?
Only omaha/8 i play has the qualifier.

Thanks for the info
Easy E

[Jimbo]

Yes your example is correct and your analysis as to the importance of Aces under these conditions is correct as well. As simple as that appears to you and I you may be surprised at the number of players who do not consider this in their starting hand requirements. (also known as dead money) /forums/images/icons/smile.gif


Jimbo

The point seems to be that "home games" have a great latitude in rule interpretation.Interpretations must be applied cosistently for fairness sake. Who is "Jerry" that responded to this. Has he posted before.If he has please provide reference to it.

[twistedbeats]

if i'm reading you correctly, you seem to be asking if aa224 can count as only one pair. it cannot. at no time in the history of poker has anyone ever been able to legitamatly look upon two aces and say "i have no pair, for one is counting as low, and one is counting as high"

[Jimbo]

I do not disagree with your conclusion regarding the initial question twistedbeats but I laughed when I read this quote by you "at no time in the history of poker has anyone ever been able to legitamatly look upon two aces and say "i have no pair, for one is counting as low, and one is counting as high". I have seen a lot of crazy things and rules in home games. My motto is never say never when it comes to a possible home rule. /forums/images/icons/smile.gif

This reminds me of a story while shooting pool on a road trip to Augusta, Ga. in 1974. I had beat the local champions for all they would lose at Willie Mosconi's new downtown pool hall when it was suggested I go to this bar outside of town. I found the local bar champion all chalked up and ready to play some 8 ball for $100 a rack. I won the flip, broke, scratched and he began to rerack the balls and told me I owed him a Benjamin. He said house rules; Scratch on the break and you lose. Well I paid my hundred, unscrewed and got the hell out of Augusta. After all I could not afford too many more rules lessons. /forums/images/icons/smile.gif Many more good stories from this particular foray into redneck country but this one seemed relevant.


Jimbo

[baggins]

i would have beat the [censored] out of him and said 'why'd you touch my balls. deal is off.' then taken his $$ from his wallet and left.

[Jimbo]

Baggins,

Picture a redneck bar full of hillbillies all nodding their head in unison when he applied this "rule". Now picture me alone at 165lbs and 4 grand in my possession. Actually a hunsky seems like a bargain looking back on it now. /forums/images/icons/smile.gif

Jimbo

When I play poker, we recognize a pair of aces as high low when I hve them, otherwise why would you want to have a pair of aces with your low cards. Only idiots would stay and wait for a spinner.

Home games should only play stud games and games which are easily understood. Omaha and Texas Holdum should not be allowed at home games because they are too confusing. Most players don"t know how to figure out what's hi or what's low.

[Jimbo]

You said "Home games should only play stud games and games which are easily understood. Omaha and Texas Holdum should not be allowed at home games because they are too confusing. Most players don"t know how to figure out what's hi or what's low." and this is a bad thing how?

This may sound cuthroat but it seems to me if the other players are confused you have a greater edge. I am not advocating shooting any angles here but as long as all the players know the rules understanding how to implement them in order to win is their responsibility.


Jimbo

I have all the edge I need playing 7 card stud with a spinner
which is the best game there is.Those other games are best left to the casinos

[baggins]

Jimbo, i do understand your plight. i am physically more capable of backing up what i said in my post, however. 6'2" and 260 lbs. and chances are if i was at a bar, my attire would be fairly intimidating as well.

either way, i guess a hundo aint too bad if you can't run or fight your way out of the situation.

lesson learned: don't bet with rednecks. or carry $4K around in redneck bars...

[Al Mirpuri]

All home game rules should be agreed upon before hand. Failing this the players should decide a ad hoc rule to solve any problem that has arisen. The players should then ruminate upon the problem away from the game and concoct a rule to apply to future re-occurrences of the problem. Here, I would say that as an Ace can be high or low hand 1 has either AA224 or 22AA4 but he does not have Ace high as an Ace whether high or low still pairs any other Ace high or low. For me AA224 beats A22A4, which beats 22AA4. At no point does A22A4 beat 33456 for low.

This is a nightmare of Double Ace Flush proportions.

[Al Mirpuri]